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manipulate with 9 years feedback already on it and it gets a bit repetitive
when people just send congratulations and thanks all the time...............we
do appreciate the kind comments but from
here on in we'll only post the odd one or two............
From James -19.8.15
- (Box & Dice) - I just want to
say thank you for the time you have taken in putting so much research
together. It was great working through everything and I think just
my general knowledge of the game has increased significantly.
From Dean - 13.8.15
- Just wanted to thank you for the fantastic
products and services you sell. They are bloody fantastic!!!
I bought your box and dice cd and continue to subscribe to your
daily ratings every month. I have always had a facination for making
profit from horse racing ever since my grandmother let me have a
$1 ew on the melbourne cup each year in the early '80's. Like some
involved in the game, I have done a hard apprenticeship in regards
to racing, from my own hare brained ideas, to racing hotlines, hot
tips.....etc...you know the routine I'm sure!
The cd is choc full of ideas and to be honest I will only use a
very small portion. (That in itself is worth many times the purchase
price! More on what I use later)
I give my my full endorsement to the whole box and dice CD.....amazing
So back to what I use....... I work shift so I 'invest' 4 days a
week, using the daily ratings as a guide to select my runners in
conjuction with my own selections. I then enter those details into
the staking sheet. I personally go with .1% so that every 21 bets
is a gain of 2.1% as discussed by you on the cd. The stats I will
share with you are as follows.
Start bank $1000 Current bank
$1400.71 after 276 bets. POT 17.1%!!!!
I will be using the money management system once I get to $3000.
I Do break one unbreakable rule (Groan I hear!) I do go below $2.50
BUT never below $2.00. I accept this risk!
I have faith in the selections
and I am a conservative investor anyway.
Thats all for now..... a big
thanks to you and those who assist.
- 10.6.15 - (Daily Ratings).........What great
service.Having good results with these.
From Hajrudin - 24.5.15
- query - I was wondering do you have strike
rates statistic on TAB Favorite Horse with form last two start win,win(11),please
We ran the query for you from January 1, 2015 to May 28, 2015.
There were 330 races covered by the TAB where these factors occurred.
(Favourite with last two starts being wins). The horse qualifying
won 130 of them or 39.4% and ran a place in 211 of them –
or 64.9% of the time.At level stakes the win return, (assuming the
same amount bet on all of them) is minus 7.6% and the place return
is minus 8.5%.The average win dividend is 2.35 and the average place
dividend is 1.41. The biggest win dividend in the 5 months was 4.30)
From Garth -16.5.15
- Whole Box &Dice..................best
fifty bucks I ever spent
From Iain - 15.4.15
- ratings ...........I can see where you are
going with all these so well done. By the way, Najoom was a great
result for me at big odds today in the multi selections you sent
out this morning..........thank you
Yes - a lot of the multi slections are too short for me but some,
like Najoom, sweeten the pot. Pity I can't do it every day - [as
the actress said to the bishop!])
From Steve - 25.3.15
- Whole Box & Dice .............excellent
resource disc......arrived the very next morning after payment which
for country SA is very good so thanks
From Jaydee - 3.3.15
- "TODAY"S RACES" .............on
your free tips page that the strike rate is pretty good but I just
wonder why you do this for free?
I guess the short answer is "because I can" - you'll also
note that the price of these is generally pretty slim which does
not fit in with my self imposed $2.50 minimum price for any bet
- so I guess it doesn't effect me one way or the other - just to
give you an indication of this, the strike rate for these from 1.11.2014
through to 3.3.2015 is just over 40% but a lot are odds on)
From EC - 11.2.15 -
recently bought your 'Grail' package and I'm very impressed with
the system......... my pretend bank stands at five times its opening
value after 223 pretend bets.
Yes it has been having a good run lately - I never let it build
up that many times the starting bank without withdrawing funds to
cover the inevitable crash that is coming)
From Sam - 5.2.15.....love
your ratings and thank you for the effort you put into them. I just
back everything at less than $10 on dry tracks and avoid races where
the fav is less than evens. -doing VERY WELL !
From Shane - 2.2.15
(Whole Box & Dice).......I love the product
From Eli - 30.1.15
(Whole Box & Dice) ............thank you
for the delivery of “The Whole Box and Dice” and the
wealth of contents and information held within. It certainly has
improved my perspective and approach to punting. I had been unwittingly
trying to impose my own systems of safe betting without realising
that the information was available to me for a measly fifty bucks.
Need I say, things are on the improve, and you are certainly not
a greedy man.........
You can only wear one shirt at a time so greed seems a waste of
space and energy!)
From Clyde - 22.1.15
(daily ratings) - .......... I do not know
if you are in a purple patch at the moment but since receiving your
emails I am 70 units in front using my own filters..outstanding!
From Dane - 15.1.15
(class) - Just a query regarding few things
I stumbled over today looking at form and doing some 'research'.
As you mentioned, horses are
'classed' based upon number of races won etc. So if a horse has
won 4 races, its a class 4… if its won 6 races, class 6..
more than 6 wins, open?…My questions relating to this are
as follows.1) Do BENCHMARK races/ratings marry/match up to a horses
class rating? or are they different? (as per your section on page
under - "race classes in australia").. I was looking at
racing nsw site and found a search thingy for "find horse benchmark"
section - http://www.racingnsw.com.au/default.aspx?s=find-horse-ratings................I
typed in a horses name and this came up-->
5YO Gelding by Ad Valorem (USA) from Tis Hopeful
21 Starts 2-4-4 $501,730 Class 2
Position Date Venue Race Dist NSW Rating Type
6-8 06-Dec-14RHIL BM95 1400 85 NSW Benchmark
11-11 15-Nov-14RHIL 1350 87 NSW Benchmark
6-9 26-Jul-14 KENS BM85 1400 89 NSW Benchmark
2) So its a class 2 horse (won 2 races)??…...
Last start raced in a BENCHMARK 95 race (so its racing well up above
its class??) .. Im Just not too sure what the NSW Rating of 85 means..
DOes this mean the horse is rated as a BM85 horse? and as such is
still racing well above its benchmark?
Here's what goes through my feeble mind regarding class required
when I look at the myriad of benchmarked race descriptions :-BM
50 / BM 55 - won I race..... BM 58 / BM 60 - won 2 races.............
BM 63 / BBM 68 - won three races..................BM 70
/ BM 75 - won 4 races.............. BM 78 / BM 85 - won 5 races..........
BM 90 / BM 95 - won 6 races...............That's
how I weigh it up but, as with all things gambling, I am just a
s likely to be wrong......-) )
From Brian - 1.1.15
- (Daily Ratings).................changed the way you select the
NZ tips? Only asking because I've noticed the vastly improved results
recently.........when you started including them I thought they
really sucked and ignored them...thanks
As you know Brian I only include those NZ selections with the daily
ratings with NO betting recommendations and for your interest. You
are correct that we have been "fining down" the methods
we are playing with as you are correct with your observations about
today's Ellerslie picks. They didn't go unnoticed at this end either
From Darren - 5.12.14
- (Par Times)....I have noted that Queensland have changed the track
rating system. I am using your par course guide and a modified formula
to work out speed ratings but not sure what the implications of
this new system are?? Can you please advise.
the moment I frankly don’t think much is going to change.
Time may well be prove me wrong but to me the changes are insignificant
in the grand scheme of things.)
From Robin - 14.11.14
- Whole Box & Dice - Staking - I’ve
looked at some of your work and I’m convinced it’s on
the level. Your (disk) has been a lot of fun.I
would like to make a point about staking, and comment on computer
use and on the strategy of systematic betting.
As to qualifications, I’m a hard scientist but not a mathematician,
I’ve been involved in betting since the late seventies .............
(read all of this interesting letter
From Warren - 10.11.14
- Par Times - This info is very valuable.
The most important thing is that you've highlighted your par times
are the average of the best 10 times recorded ... so a horse (in
any grade) that runs anywhere near your par time is obviously speedy.
I initially thought the par times were an average of ALL winning
times, and not skewed so close to the fastest end of the scale.For
my own analysis, I am ignoring all slow and heavy results, and I
am also ignoring all races outside the 1000-1400m range. I am having
some early success just focusing in the lower grade races, trying
to find horses early in their career who have recently put in a
solid performance vs par and therefore (theoretically) capable of
winning easily in lower grade races.One
example is the winner in Seymour R2 a few minutes ago ... I noted
that SHUT THE FRONTDOOR ran within a couple of lengths of your Seymour
1200m par time at last start, and he has just saluted at $6.The
favourite in the same race did not run good time at his first start,
and that only left THE FLYING DOORMAT as a genuine competitor. I
picked the value runner on fitness and race experience, thinking
that THE FLYING DOORMAT had a gutbuster at last start. I
wish it was always this simple .... I have plenty of bad luck and
wrong analysis stories to offset my winner today!
ot be great if it was that simple? I am coming to the position that
you are correct in focussing on good or dead track times)
From Rodney - 10.11.14-
Ultimate - hellow fellow punters purchased
the whole box and dice a while ago and the original one two and
was looking at your website about the ultimate and cant seem to
find it is it on their and i love your systems they all make sense
and keep posting stuff
emailed a copy of the Ultimate to you Rodney which you should now
have already - haven't used that for such a long time so I have
no idea how it is going these days.)
From Matt - 25.10.14
- Whole Box & Dice - I bought your WB&D
package a while ago and read through all of it about 10 times over.
I love this stuff.
From Joel - 6.10.14
- Grail / Counterbet.......Oh I'm loving the
grail and the counter bet systems. Took me a couple of day's to
get the feel for the grail but it's pretty simple once you have
the rules stuck in your head LOL Awesome stuff Mate!!
From Ray - 2.10.14
- Box & Dice - ................arrived
safely. I just can't believe how much info is on the disc. By the
way, I love the historical stuff you have on your web site and the
page about Gala Supreme....was one of my favourite horses when I
started getting interested in racing as a young tacker
From Michael - 30.9.14
- Cascade 10 / Grail.....very good spreadsheet
system ,I using this now for a few weeks now in parallel to the
minimalist and I must say, cascade10 is the winner here plus the
grail, amazing .......thanks
Ajay - 13.9.14- Par Times.........combined
with your staking plan has completely changed the way I bet ...........and
for the better. Thanks............
Mick - 26.8.14 - Cascade 10 - ........The
more I learn the more I am understanding that stats don't lie!!!!.............
By the way the Cascade 10 is a real winner for mine... took a little
while to get my head around it but got there in the end.
Michael - 14.8.14 - Whole Box & Dice - ..........Thank
you very much ............your website is very informative and very
honest as well.
Paul - 12.8.14........I just wanted to say
how much I've enjoyed your web site and your articles. A lot of
them have hit home for me and it's time to change my betting habits...........
am really looking forward to getting some control and discipline
in my punting and thinking about things in the long term. I look
forward to the coming months....
As you should. Without doubt, discipline in your investment is the
key to the whole deal. Without it you are lost.......as will be
your bank. There is a great satisfaction at the end of each punting
day, congratulating yourself for your mental strength and control.......probably
far more than picking the ones to invest on or whether you finished
in front on that particular day. That may sound a little strange,
but that's the way it is.)
Wayne - 17.7.14 - SelfRate...............I
purchased the Self Rate software many years ago and my punting has
never been better. I am very selective and patient and only look
for either standouts or value. For this change in my punting, I
Peter 8.7.14 - Daily ratings / Whole Box & Dice........I
have been most impressed with your service........ I continue to
use The Whole Box and Dice systems some of which have been quite
profitable. Not as “ edge of the seat “ as the Daily
Ratings, they can be a bit “ hairy “ at times. Especially
when on the chase, but as long as you have a built in hand brake
in place, you can keep in control. One thing I have learned over
a lifetime of punting, is patience.
Your last 12 words sums it all up :-))
Ken 24.6.14 - Par Times 2014-2015...... I
purchased your par times book two weeks ago and its great. I was
wondering if there is such a book for 600 sectionals..............
Not that I am aware of but if there is one out there I'm sure someone
will let me know and I will pass it along)
Kev - 16.6.14........staking plans.......Recently
Purchased My Staking Plan & Par Times Which Are Very Good Products
& Just Wondering Can I Use My Staking Plan With Dutch Betting
The principle with dutch betting remains the same – don’t
take short prices – anything less than $3 is asking for trouble
as the rate of acceleration - (loss recovery)- is too great)
From Peter - 16.6.14.......daily ratings.......Big
week for rating followers, particularly Ipswich on Saturday.Good
stuff, keep them coming
Matthew - 6.6.14.....(ratings service)..........are
you kidding me? First time ever on your ratings sheet you put in
a tip for a Happy Valley horse where I never bet for something called
Trump so out of interest I stick a few dollars on it and I wake
up this morning to find its paid $21? Sick.
Colin - 31.5.14 - (ratings)................................the
winning run with your multimeth specials over the last month has
been the best I have ever seen in over 20 years of the punt. Absolutely
Colin for writing. Yes. It has been an exceptional run for a little
while now. Note the word "exceptional".........dictionary
says: forming an exception or rare instance, unusual.........in
other words, enjoy it while it's happening because it will change
Bill - 12.05.14- Par Times (Book version) - ......As
all ways a top product , and prompt delivery .......
Adrian - 03.05.14 - My Staking Plan........Thanks
for the quick reply. I have been (playng) around with excel spreadsheets
for months to track my progress. This is the best I have seen.
Shane - 28.4.14 - Autumn Newsletter............Really
enjoyed reading and thinking about your latest newsletter. There
was some real "food for thought" in it. Place strike rate
was not something that I had worried too much about before. However,
my friend recently bought a system that had Place Strike/Rank as
a major factor. I was surprised, but now can see the power of that
angle. Also, your "fast facts" make you realise just what
is required if you are going to beat this caper. I look forward
to the next edition.
Brett......Whole Box & Dice....15.4.14.................just
a quick message to let you now i have received and to say thanks
for such a great bit of gear
Peter .....Par Times......25.3.14......Just
like to say how much your par times have improved my punting. I
find them very helpful.they are a bargain buy.
are deadset a freak........Had a tenner on Slippery Ninja got me
$260. Ballina will rock tonight!
(Ed: Good on you
Eddy....for those they may not be aware we do free online testing
at http://www.racerate.net/ )
have flicked through the materials. It looks great, it is obvious
that a lot of work has gone into this publication. Much appreciated.
I really enjoy reading your articles, they definately made me take
a good hard look at the way I was going about my punting.
value on the web I've seen....thanks for the research
for Viva Lisboa at $7 this afternoon and Oneofus $13 yesterday...........may
have noticed that the days on which you have fewer selections this
strike rate is excellent?
true. I believe the reason is that on those "smaller"
days the quality factors shine through more because of the weaker
fields. I could live with weak days like that every day of the year
- pity it doesn't work out like that. Oh well!!!)
Damian (USA) .......22.01.14.....A
short note to say the CD arrive in one piece today so thanks for
doing that - I've got some work to go through it all but I'm sure
it will be fun!! No doubt I will have some questions so if you can
put up with me, it would be appreciated..........FYI,
I've started betting the multi meth selections and it's been a very
good start. They're winning at the usual strike rates so that augers
well - let's hope they keep at/around that and the average dividend
stays where it should be and it could work out well....
(Ed: I rather hope
that as well !!! Over the long term, and I know I keep stressing
that to the the point of repetition of TV ads for funeral insurance,
over the long term it has SO FAR proved to be the case..)
...You recommend not to bet below a dividend of $2.50. Do your S.R.
and P.O.T. for MM 2013 results include all winning odds or just
those over $2.50?
figures on the site are all in at level stakes regardless of price
and are NSW TAB based. I
don’t have any stand alone figures that are price based as
they seem irrelevant because the price I may take about something
on Betfair or fixed price may well have been longer than those on
the NSW TAB so a horse that starts on the NSW tote at $2.10 may
well have been freely available at $2.50 or better during the betting.
Using the staking plan I do, as long as the price is better than
the $2.50 I will target to win the same amount anyway, win or place,
so it becomes irrelevant as long as the 2.5 threshold is crossed.
of course I may have taken $3.00 fixed or at the ‘fair only
to see it start at $4.20 so it can only ever be a guide and not
a bible…..all part of the problems of placing variable “results”
to fixed historical data. Why NSW TAB? Why not? (lol) Could easily
have been VIC TAB or Tatts – just what it is.)
Damian .... Whole Box & Dice....01.01.14........I
stumbled across your web site and I must say it's been terrific
reading. I've been punting since I was about 6 (I'm now in my 40s)
and it's incredible how much you keep learning from this caper.
And you have contributed to that over the course of the last couple
of weeks I've been reading your articles so thank you. The punt/racing
game, like life, throws up all sorts of new things every day - you
wouldn't be dead for quids.......I'm slowly turning years of losing
around by getting better at the basics of the punt (discipline,
etc) and the last 2 years has seen me turn a profit (very nice!!)....The
reason for my note is that I'm considering buying your whole box
and dice CD, but, I will say that I have relocated to the US. So,
I was wondering if you would be okay in sending it to me over here.
I'm more than happy to pay for the postage and any additional costs
involved............... I do have my own system that I use that
currently has a strike rate of 19% with an average dividend of around
$5.50 but I don't use level stakes - I use the professional staking
plan which seems to work well with these numbers. However, like
everything, I need to look at applying some different criteria as
it does sometimes give you runners at $2.50 or less (I like the
thought process of yours of excluding these).......I have a technical
question - will it work on windows 8 or will I need a different
version for it to work?? Microsoft has the perfect track record
of stuffing up everything they send out with "updates"
that screw previous versions that worked perfectly well before......
Costs nothing extra (but time) to send to the USA but does take
a week or two to get there.......we have encountered no problems
so far (fingers crossed) with Microsoft updates!!.
using this on available days for the last six months and have found
it to be surprisingly effective....thanks
again for your site, it brings me back to reality, I was a high
risk bettor, but with the help of your writings I have learnt to
pull my head in and enjoy any profit I make- as a gambler I want
to increase that profit, but $100 overall clear profit is better
than a pocket full of nothing
There's a statement worth noting - and plagiarising (lol).......which
of course I shall !!!!)
used The Grail on today's Terang races and I'm impressed
Joe .... RaceRate Daily Ratings .... 13.11.13.......Peter
you have take credit for this one .. Re-subcribed to Daily Ratings
after a period away .. First up in Race 6 Kilmore Street Stalker
won @ 6.2 and Dehere St paid 9.2 the place !!
That's the beauty of Betfair.....Dehere Hunter only paid $5.70 a
place on the TAB).
Gavin ....RaceRate ratings.....1.11.13.......got
your daily ratings for the first time today and was surprised there
were only two races rated........even more surprised when both the
toppies won at good odds.......great
(Ed: The sad truth is Gavin there will
be many many days when there are only two races rated and NONE of
them win which is why you need a good staking plan to cover those
Fiona .......Staking Plans E-book......29.10.13........excellent
value for money
Trevor ..... SelfRate.........17.10.13.....been
using Selfrate for a few years mainly on metro meetings when I have
the time to do them......doing very well thankyou using the top
two rated with a strike rate around 50% on the races I operate on........
Funny how when you put the effort in you get the result out)
I like about your site is that you strip out all the BS and tell
it like it is........it has changed the way I look at punting
will never know what it meant to me when your top rated Winning
Glory gott up at Newcastle this afternoon at big odds.........changed
a whole impossible situation I was in
(Ed: Gary - don't get me wrong - I am
happy it worked out - most of your email I haven't published. Just
let me say, you would never have been in that situation if you were
in control of what was happening with gambling. As I said, I'm glad
you're out - but for heavens sake, reassess what you are doing and
don't get there again. There will not be another 16/1 winner
to fix it next time)
NH......14.9.13.......Love the site mate.
Think I have read all the articles 3 or 4 times over now! Thanks
for sharing! Fantastic stuff!
Rob ....10.9.13....(Box & Dice).....I
purchased the whole box and dice a couple of months ago.........
Great stuff like the rest of your site......
am in the middle of my 5 day trial with the BetBotPro...............
I absolutely love the concept of the program.......... My issue
is, that from 8-10pm on a Wednesday night i don't seem to be able
to load Thursdays race meetings.......the team at BetBotPro .......
believe that the following days files aren't available until 9pm
London time......are you able to confirm and what stage you can
generally access Australian files?
I tried to load the races at 4.10am for today and had no dramas
– but of course I have no idea at what time they became available.
I rather think it wouldn’t be until after midnight our time………but
Peter.....29.8.13.....Keep up the incredible
service and the mass of information. I only use your methods as
a hobby, not having placed a bet but getting enjoyment from the
Self Rate and seeing what I can do. I am disabled and your service
gives me much enjoyment......
Don.....28.8.13.............On the worth of
the subscription, I must compliment you on its quality.It's like
a graduate course in the gambling industry. All the theories, mathematics,
advantages, expectations, pitfalls, psychological sets. There's
a lifetime of experience in your "whole box & dice".
And they're all home truths. I'm working my way through it and absorbing
as much as possible, but I am enjoying the education. GREAT STUFF
Then how come I'm not fabulously rich? ;-) )
Matt (Pattern 44) 21.8.13......, I am really
enjoying the Pattern 44 system and have been making a handy income
from it in the past few months! I really like the low number of
outs with place betting and cannot understand why so many people
completely ignore the place markets or have negative views towards
betting on it.
(Ed: You get no argument from me with
a BIG proviso - as with all my bets they simply MUST be better than
Kane (Selfrate) 20.8.13.....Just a little
heads up, the very first time I used your platform (SelfRate) the
other day was a triumph for you to gloat about! Taree
– Race 1 - picked the first 4 selections straight (didn’t
bet on the race). A $1 outlay on the quin, ex, tri and FF would’ve
netted approx. $1,080.
(Ed: Sorry to tell you that won't happen every
day which is a great pity but that's the way of it sadly)
Drago (General) 13.8.13.....Dear Petar today
I had a phone call from XXXXXXXXXX (who are) software
developers (with the) promise of making $200 to $400 a
day. What I would do set the program on Bettfair laybetting and
forget about it all day......... the program would do the rest and
just make profit I can allso use the program to make money..........and
the good thing is all Ihave to do pay $25000 I would recive program
and laptop and start making money.................. I told them
that they are scammers.......and thay are from (the) gold
coast where I get all scammers letters and phone calls.......................
(Ed:No comment needed from me. My main
question would be where did they get your name and contact details
from? That would concern me more.)
Tom (Compendium) 13.8.13.......Yesterday whilst
perusing your site, which is a true wealth of knowledge, I discovered
the page for the 3 systems you are testing including “The
Compendium” It sure looks to have enormous promise but it
raised a couple of questions. Firstly, what is your opinion of place
betting when you declare you will not take less than 6/4 about anything
that breathes? And why bet for the place when you can achieve a
higher POT for the win?
(Ed: The Compendium is just a place betting
method that we have been playing with. And you are ABSOLUTELY correct
- I NEVER take less than $2.50 about any horse achieving anything!
The fact that it shows a higher p.o.t. for straight out betting
is purely a side effect - but I'm not complaining ;-) )
Paul (Multi-meth) 25.7.13.......Thanks for
a great service
Andrew (Staking Plan) 24.7.13.........I have
been cold running the staking plan that you use on your spreadsheets
you have sent me and it has been working quite well.....website
has helped me to gain some control and I am working toward a disciplined
long term approach
Cheryl (Whole Box & Dice) 10.7.13.........thanks
for your patience and kindness. Your after sales service is really
exceptional and so different than others I have had dealings with
Bob (SelfRate) 27.6.13........I have been
using selfrate for a few months now with very good results Do you
have a spreadsheet I can purchase complete with all the formulas
needed to record profit or loss on all my bets
(Ed: BetRecorder is pretty good - here's the link: http://www.horseracingsoftware.net/
Frank (Daily Ratings) 16.6.13.....Thank you
for your excellent service, which I have recommended to others.
Nathan (Whole Box & Dice) 5.6.13.......Received
my whole box & dice package in quick and efficient manner. After
trialling the selfrate program over the past couple of weeks I can
quickly see that if I am prepared to put the time & effort into
the system then I will be rewarded with results. Current results
include: Moonee Valley 5/6/13 - R4 - Jarrah Twist - $16.10 (top
rater), R8 - Lake Sententia - $2.10 (top rater), R10 - Lord Durantee
- $5 (top rater). The ratings also steered me into the quaddie which
returned a handy $557. I highly recommend the product to punters
who are keen to put in that extra effort to finding their next winner.
The product also comes with a wide range of betting systems which
will take months to filter through. "
(Whole Box & Dice) 30.5.13.......My 'whole
box'n'dice' cd has arrived, from what I've seen so far-very informative,best
value for money in Australia for genuine/honest information. thanks
Mark (Whole Box & Dice) 29.5.13........thank
you for your systems. They are great.
Michael (General) 23.5.13........I've found
the Racerate website very interesting reading about all aspects
of horse racing and of course the mind set of gambling. I once asked
a broker for a tip on the ASX (in my youth, as you do) as I was
looking at investing in shares a while ago. He gave me three words
of advice, Research, research, research. Since then, that advice
has paid dividends for me.
(Ed: The principle between both is exactly the same and probably
explains why you never see a professional pokies player or professional
David (Whole Box & Dice) 10.5.13.........I
have been enjoying your site for the past few days since I discovered
it, and am very eager to digest all this information. Putting science
into my betting is proving to be time-consuming, but rewarding and
satisfying at the same time. Now if only I can figure out how
to put more discipline into it, I might be onto something
(Ed: Never a truer word spoken!)
Trish (Whole Box & Dice) 4.5.13.......excellent
product overflowing with essential information. It might be Christmas
before I work my way through it all - lol
Lewis...(testing site) 26.4.13.......thrilled
when Mr Vadim got home at Kalgoorlie at nearly 30/1 on your free
web site. You must be winning a fortune.....
(Ed: Wish I was Lewis. I didn't back Mr
Vadim at all - so sad, too bad! For those interested, we do publish
an absolutely free web site where we list a couple of the methods
we are currently testing and their selections for the day. If you're
interested here's the address: http://www.racerate.net/
Wayne.....(Daily Ratings) 25.4.13....I have
found the service along with your web site very helpful in improving
my punting skills.
Shane (Newsletter) 1.4.13.......Just a quick
note to thank you for your Newsletter. I have enjoyed reading it
every time it has hit my inbox.........Like many others, I have
also learned a lot from your articles on the website.
Brad (SelfRate on CD) 18.3.13......all arrived
ok and have been using it with some initial success
Mal (miscellaneous) 16.3.13......Thank
you Peter for such a prompt reply, and for such a comprehensive
explanation of every part of the form guide. You've made life a
(Ed: No worries - and if anyone else would
like more of an explanation of the dreaded "form guide",
drop me an email and I'll try to help. They are a bit daunting for
Gary (Multi Meth) 16.3.13........another remarkable
Friday with three winners from three final slections just doesn't
get any better........thanks again
(Ed: That's great Gary but, and there's
always a but, day to day is really insignificant to me and should
be to you.......as is week to week or month to month. In the long
term it's a matter of where you are going to be at this time next
year compared to where you are today and do you have a staking plan
in place to capitalise on the good days that occur ALONG with the
inevitable bad days that will also occur? Look. I don't want to
rain on people's parades and, yes, I enjoy the really good days
too, but it is important to focus on the long term possibilities
much more than the short. Sorry if I am boring but that's just the
way it is :-0)
Aaron (MultiMeth) 11.3.13........3 winners
and nose second from a total of 4 selections for the day wasnt a
bad start to the week....pity the fourth one just missed........really
(Ed: Thanks Aaron BUT if you were using
a foscussed staking plan - I know, nag, nag, nag - the fourth one
just misssing wouldn't have mattered)
Paul (MultiMeth) 1.3.13........I have just
subscribed after my (bonus subscription) term finished after buying
the Whole Box and Dice.So
far I am in front $2620 so going really well with it. Hoping and
praying it continues.
Peter (Whole Box & Dice) 18.2.13........just
a quick thank you, I bought the Whole Box and Dice from you recently
and just wanted to thank you for the way i now look at betting.
I have gone through all of the information on the site and now fixed
my mindset. I believe i have gone from a MUG punter who was all
about risk to a calculated bettor who is all about REWARD. This
has all come about thanks solely to YOU your ideas and your web
site and for this i am truly thankful.
(Ed: Wow (blushing)
- I an expect canonisation from the new Pope this year then? Seriously
though, I am happy to get an email like this because it means you
have gone from being someone who was happy just to pick a winner
to thinking about what this is all about. When I started really
thinking about all this back in the late 1990's, and I mean REALLY
thinking about it, my philosophy was basically good luck, God bless
it all and there's always the last race to "get out" on.
Can I please have all that money back now? You just can't win at
this game with a short term, haphazard investment approach and no
long term reasonable selection method to back it up. It really is
that basically simple. Glad you "got it".)
Ashley (Whole Box & Dice) 16.2.13...........Many
thanks for your quick delivery. It arrived yesterday eve, (24 hrs
after placing the order.) I look forward to digesting the data on
various systems & in particular your MM selections. I am 78yrs.
old & have followed systems most of my life, without much success,
but after reading some of your Racerate comments, you are like a
breath of fresh air & tells it how it is............
(Ed: Thanks Ashley....telling like it
is always seems to be the best way!)
12.2.13.........I have been using Self Rate
for a while now with positive results in the long term.
Peter (Multi-Meth - Profitmax) ...21.1.13..........Peter
thank you and your team for a great weekend of tipping no more to
(Ed: Yes - :-0) - it was pretty "hot"
wasn't it? Way over 50% strike rate for the whole weekend. We had
a a great weekend on the punt too. Doesn't always work out like
that of course but when it does it is very rewarding, not just financially
but personally as well. Today of course is another day..........
Greg (general) 18.1.13..............your systems
are great and your service is brilliant
Jamie (Whole Box & Dice) 18.1.13.........,
I am just updating all your methods and since June 2011 until the
end of last year the profit is amazing, currently it's at +830 with
another month to go through, incredible stuff. I handpicked the
ones I want to include of course........
P (MultiMeth-ProfitMax) 13.1.13 - I put 3
bucks on all your selections today from those two packages, just
listening to race 7 at Geraldton, Statewide won paying $33.70.......your
winner just made my day very good.
Paul 12.1.13 (Par Times)..........by the way
the par times I got from you are going along pretty good. Last saturday
it rated on top a $26 winner at Warwick Farm, saturday before a
couple of $14 and $9 winners. I've set up a monster excel spreadsheet
where I only rate races of 1500 and beyond, then look for a top
rater with improvement from its 3rd last start, to its 2nd last
start to its last start. Those winners met that criteria.
(Ed; Excellent. I see it as a real option
to the conventional handicapping that goes on in Australia and,
by extension, a collection of winners at far better odds than the
conventional.......the rewards of swimming against the tide and
using original thought!).
Bernie 8.1.2013 (fun stuff).......Just
a note to thank you for your great site and your speedy service
re my small subs,also your (grand)mother could have been a genius.See
I read your life story the other day and saw that your (grand) mother,God
bless her soul,only backed horses where the 3rd letter is R.,
parish priest here in Penguin only backs horses where the fist and
second names start with the same letterie Merlin Mustang, he swears
by it,well, not swears, you know what I mean,anyway last Saturday
I decided to have a fun day and back them.
Circle of Power $30.80,Merlin Mustang $7.40,Miracles of Life,Tariana,Garozzo,Carry
Me Bluey,plus heaps of places and other winners at the country meetings
I just backed them all a $5ew, don't know if that was right or if
I should only have backed them if there was one in the race,what
a right little earner and lots of fun,every time one won I had a
big laugh,although Circle of Power was one of my better rides.
For someone who could not be bothered with systems,doing the form
etc its organised chaos and heaps of plain old fun.
Thanks for sharing it with us......love your site the most fair
dunkum on the web,keep up the good work and have a safe and hapy
(Ed: Thanks for the letter (and laugh)
– I should warn you that my grandmother died a pauper –
had a lot of fun along the way though! She lived in a poor suburb
of Brisbane called Cribb Island (now all taken over by Brisbane
airport) and she used to sit in her kitchen looking out over Moreton
Bay watching the tide come in and out, drinking Bulimba beer and
listening to Vince Curry and Ken Noud on the radio – that’s
where all my school holidays were spent. She also taught me how
to play euchre, poker and do the drawback on Craven A cork tipped
cigarettes – the ones with the lucky black cat inside the
lid. Now THAT was on hell of a nanna!)
John M 6.1.2013 (MultiMeth)........I am quite
happy with your Multimeth and running a good profit.......it has
it's ups and downs but I have a lot of faith in it.
Wayne 4.1.2013 (site)........You've got a
great web site and your honesty throughout is refreshing...........
Nick 1.1.13 (Kiwi Kev)...........Smart Twister
in Perth at huge odds - got $35 from some poor person on Betfair
- brilliant start to the year....thanks Kev
(Ed: Yes The Kiwi goes very well on seemingly
most days. Not sure long term but we'll start actually monitoring
this year. That info alone should put the evil spell upon him!!!!!)
Vincent 31.12.12 (MultiMeth-Whole Box & Dice)........I
have enjoyed a profitable last 3 Months thanx to your Whole box
and dice combined with Multi-Meth daily.
John 26.12.12 (MultiMeth).......Great day,
you only dream about days like this......
Yes Boxing Day.......paid for the excesses of Xmas Day :-) .........here
is a reproduction part of the email our MultiMeth clients received
- we have added in the results
R 1 # 1 HAWKSPUR MM21 w 2.80 / 1.60
R 6 # 1 POSTE RESTANTE MM13
R 6 # 3 LE ROI MM13 / MM21 w 2.20 / 1.50
R 1 # 2 EXALTED FILLY MM1 w 3.40 / 1.30
R 4 # 6 TABULATED MM7 w 4.10 / 1.50
R 7 # 3 HIDDEN VALUE MM1 / MM7 / MM8 w 3.60
R 8 # 1 FINAL COMMAND MM1 / MM13 2nd 1.90
R 8 # 2 SHADOW NINJA MM7 w 3.70 / 1.70
R 8 # 8 WINE LOVER MM1 3rd 2.40
R 3 # 1 MASTER AVATAR MM4 / MM8 w 3.00 / 2.30
R 3 # 2 KISTAMON MM4 2nd 3.40
R 6 # 3 GAROZZO MM4 w 4.00 / 2.10
R 3 # 7 VIZHAKA MM10 2nd 1.20
R 8 # 8 FINISHING CARD MM7 w 1.90 / 1.40
a great pity it can't just happen like that every day........wouldn't
it be even more boring if it did?)
Dean 14.12.12 (Methods) ..........I have been
reading about some of your systems online and am interested in purchasing
some. The couple of questions I have are, if a system suggests that
I bet on 5 different races in a day do I have to bet on all 5 of
those or can I just bet on one or two and get a result? Secondly,
does it matter which online betting agency I bet through? If you
could please let me know about this that would be great.
(Ed: That’s actually a very interesting question. The answer
is determined by which position you are asking from – a short
term or long term view? In the short term, there will be days where
it really does matter and drives you to distraction when you decide
to bet (for whatever reasons) on, say, the first three selections
that any method may throw up and ignore the last three. Inevitably,
(or so it will seem) the first three finish down the track and two
of the last three will win at 6/1 and 5/1 and your blood pressure
will rise enormously and some very descriptive words that you don’t
normally use will flow quite freely.
long term position, and one that I always try to take, is that it
shouldn’t matter over the space of a year, which ones you
miss out on backing (for any number of reasons) and that your winning
percentages should remain pretty much the same if the methodology
is “solid”. This also applies to whole days (or weeks)
missed out as well. As I have written on the site before NO ONE
can be there 24 / 7 with races now spread between 10.30 in the morning
(NZ) and 3.30 the next morning (UK / Sth Africa). No one can do
this is the long term view and one that I adhere to. The percentages
over the space of year shouldn’t vary that much because you
have the absolute audacity to do something else!!! Your profit may
vary (through what is referred to as luck) because the ones you
miss MAY salute at long odds but they may also win a short odds
– so the effect on the long term result is diminished.
to your second question, if you are betting win or place, you should
always do better on Betfair than one of the TAB’s –
simply because their % takeout is a lot lower as the TABs have grown
greedier and greedier over the years since their inception. If your
“bent” is exotics –trifectas / quadrellas etc
etc,, you really have little choice other than to use a TAB service
– but do your own research and look at the amounts they pull
from these pools. Their percentage takeout is also part of the “hill”
that you as a punter to have to climb.)
Glen 11.12.12 (greyhound methods)........Have
been playing with the free greyhound methods, results aren't too
bad (if I stick to the rules haha).
(Ed: What an interesting comment that
you placed in the brackets!)
Des 9.12.12 (MultiMeth)........... I just
want to say thank you for the tips I have been getting from the
Multi Meth Daily. As I’m only a small punter I really appreciate
the simple and straight forward presentation. I have been going
for about a month now and I’m well in front. In fact, I’m
trying to get enough to buy the Whole Box & Dice package. I
might get there sometime early in the new year, fingers crossed.
So thanks again and I look forward to continuing to buy your tips.
Darryl 5.12.12 (Whole Box & Dice)............just
awesome........wish I had purchased before the Melbourne Cup carnival........you've
got my endorsement.............thanks
Scott 19.11.12 (Whole Box & Dice)..........Since
owning the WBD set I have really taken a different view of punting.
I am now more patient and see the benefit in letting my bank build.
I have slowly worked my bank from $500 to $3500 which is great for
Alex 14.11.12 (Par Times)........arrived in
the post today........its obvious how much work has gone in to this
John 14.11.12 (MultiMeth)........Very pleased
with your multi meth.I began by using the grail min.1/3% approach
but find it difficult when there are two horses in race so I have
reverted to 1% of bank set and forget.
(Ed: Yes - one third of one percent is
very conservative and sensible - when there are two horses in a
race it is just as easy to forget it and move on - the world will
never run out of races - cliche I know but true)
Ken 1.11.12 (Daily Ratings) ..........I am
happy to tell you that the bank continues to grow from the daily
ratings ($150 to $294 now).It has gotten to the stage where I am
keeping my eye out for the dreaded run of outs.
(Ed: A great thing to keep a weather eye
out for - however, if you are not being greedy and pushing the bank
/ staking level too hard you should be okay BUT, and there's always
a BUT, the run of outs will come one day - it's inevitable and how
the game keeps going! Hopefully you will be sensible and withdraw
funds along the way to ensure the great run of outs is not a total
disaster and in fact a profit maker)
From Graham 28.10.12................ Having
purchased the whole box and dice earlier in the year I have to tell
you that aiming for 1% profit a day is a great way to go, no stress
no strain. Great advice for which I thank you and your methods.
Ken 24.10.12 (Box & Dice - Kiwi Kev)..........thought
I would drop you a line to say thanks for those place tips via Kiwi
Kev............ what an awesome effort. Thanks also for the box
Have made a fair bit out of a couple of ideas of yours.
(Ed: Yes, Kiwi Kev is going great at the
moment - but never fear. It will end!!!!!)
Aurelio 24.10.12 (Method 762).......I put
the Method 762 to the test in today's racing, with some interesting
results.... I gave some races a dry run and I also put a very small
bet on some others
In 3 races I backed two horses in the same race and won on two of
the three races, with the third race runner came 2nd. In my dry
runs at the end of the day my choices both came in first.....unfortunately
I didn't have anything on them. No big deal though as I must make
sure I have the rules well in control and to stay disciplined.In
some races the horse has met all the criteria but not met one, as
an example the only rule a particular runner has not met is not
running at a metro venue last start My question is do the rules
and criteria have to be met exactly as set or would you suggest
a little bending of the rules when the horse has met everything
else perfectly? What are your experiences with such a thing?
Glad you are having fun. That rule, along with all the others, is
there because the research shows it to be financially advantageous
to do so. Changing stuff around will only contaminate the results)
Ken 19.10.12 (Daily Ratings)........I have
been subscribing to your daily ratings service for only about 3
weeks.So far I am very happy.After about 30 (yes 30) years of punting
and losing (not a lot, but still losing), I have turned my new bank
of $150 into $184.I
only bet on 1 horse per race.To pick which horse out of the 4 or
5 that you rate this is what I do.With about 3 minutes of betting
remaining I choose the shortest priced horse you have rated(NOT
your top rated horse.The actual shortest priced horse)and if it
is $2.50 or more I back it to win $5 (1/30th of my bank).If the
shortest priced horse is less than $2.50 I move to the second shortest
priced horse and so on until I can get $2.50 for the place and again
back it to win $5.My
staking plan is simply to add bets lost to my target of $5.So if
I bet $2 and lose, my target for the next race becomes $7.
I am using this
method because in your overview of the daily ratings service you
say that I must use these ratings in conjunction with my own filters.I
have no idea of what filters to use because I do not know that in
compiling your ratings you have taken into account jockey, distance,
barrier etc.The only time I vary if it is a dead track (I don't
bet slow or heavy), then I check the dead track form of the horses
you have rated.I guess what I am doing is letting the market do
the work for me, because as you say in some of your articles (I
think) is that in an orderley market, the market is invariably correct?.I
assume that because you seem to be so selective in the races you
rate you are choosing the orderley ones.Could you please comment
on what I am doing and suggest any improvments, or even a completely
different strategy if you think what I am doing is off the mark
and doomed to fail.......I am considering either "the grail"
or the "selfrate" systems you have.Which do you reccomend?(or
any other?)Do either of these have info on which races to rate and
which to avoid?Sorry for such a email (The longest I've ever written
I think) with so many questions, but hoping you can shed at least
a little light.
(Ed:Okay so that’s a reasonable
approach for your staking. I assume that your target of 1/30th of
your bank gets added to EVERY bet as well (or you spend your life
dithering around trying to win the original $5, the value which
“decays” with each bet in the sequence so when you do
win, the amount is insignificant?). I also note that your minimum
price acceptable is that magic $2.50. Excellent.
being the case I would recommend you REDUCE the target amount to
1% (not your current 3.33%). Why” Because I think when you
hit the long run of outs, if you are carrying an extra 3.33% per
bet the carry over PLUS target amount and chasing amount becomes
too big too quickly. I
can’t stand that sort of pressure but you may be different
than me – most people are – lol. I
know 1% sounds like two fifths of the proverbial but if you add
it to every bet and have just one bet a day, for example, that’s
a potential 30% at the end of the month. Know a bank that’s
paying 30% interest? Let me know if you do and I’ll stop punting
are correct about the market. When it is orderly, it is nearly always
right which is the basis of The Grail (as is the staking to half
or one per cent).
ratings themselves are based on their very current form, barrier
position (heavy allowance), distance ability (very heavy weighting)
and days since their last run. I ignore “wet track form”
as I think (over the long term) it’s irrelevant, I pay scant
attention to which jockey is riding it (but look for 4kg claiming
apprentices with alarm), I think their average prize money rating
is important, the course is mostly irrelevant and their career stats
are way less important than their current stats. I am quite ambivalent
about who the trainer is.
completely eliminate any horse who had more than one negative from
my negative list. What’s on that list? Is the horse’s
past winning distance range is LONGER than the race today (by more
than 50m)?If the horse is first up after a spell (more than a couple
of months), it must won first up before. Is the horse running out
of its class? Is the prize money of today’s race 33% more
than its last start? (In feature races of course that will be the
case for most runners so it becomes irrelevant). Does the horse
have a winning strike rate of less than 10%? Was the horse beaten
by more than 6 lengths last start? Was the horse beaten by a net
of 15 lengths in total from its last three starts?
are my absolute elimination rules – they are taken in to account
before the ratings are published. If you have your own filters,
add them in – go for it – you will then have your own
completely different set of selections from the rated runners than
I will have. That’s what will make them “yours”.
You will notice in the daily ratings that we rarely go below a class
4 (0-72) race as we believe the higher class races are more consistent
for these ratings.
by the way, you are only doomed to fail if you believe you are doomed
to fail. Most things you have taken the time and effort to reason
out and prove to yourself DO work. The trick is just letting them.)
Alan 17.10.12 (Daily Ratings).......don't
know how you had Hangover Henry as top rated this afternoon but
at 20s I don't care or how your kiwi mate had Mourinho at 10s a
place but well done......love the site.....
(Ed: Thanks for the nice words. Remember
you wrote them when things aren't going quite as well!!)
From David 23.9.12 (Lay Safe)........ I used
the Lay Safe yesterday with very good results
From Damien 23.9.12 (Whole Box & Dice) .............Really
enjoying the systems - have tested them and early days + your own
results, they just stack up...love the non-emotional practice .....
this rounds out my betting portfolio now, i am going to run the following:
Brisb 1350+, Perth Metro, Syd Metro, Melb Metro, Adelaide Metro, Pressure
Point, Try Line Picks (my own site).... thanks, keep up the good work
- will keep you posted on the results!
From Dennis 15.9.12 (Power Of One) .....although
there seems to be no rain about at the moment, would you consider
giving out selections if the morning track report is say a dead 4
or 5, just in case there is an up-grade before the selections race..
Cheers for that got top fluc for Nitro... Dennis
(Ed: Thanks for the email. This
is one issue that I have agonised over now for some time – not
only with Power Of One – but every other method that contains
variables like this, which of course they must by their very nature.
At the end of the day you simply have to live with the fact that there
are these variables that you can’t control – late scratchings,
track condition changes, jockey injured changes, the list goes on
and on. I accept that these are going to happen but hopefully they
will eliminate losing bets at the same long term percentage rate of
winning bets, which of course they should. That’s not to say
they will - but SHOULD.
The same variances problem exists with reporting on past events as
they happened compared to what happened “live time” and
when you forecast in advance which is why some of the “results
sheets” may vary slightly from the actual forecasts. Stuff happens
and NO results forecaster can change that – it is the one chaos
factor in the industry that is NOT variable nor controllable despite
everyone’s best intentions. The computer programme we have is
set up to analyse races on a good track basis at the time of publication,
If we were then to say, well, good or dead, because the tracks MIGHT
improve during the day, I think the variations between the actual
results with the track condition known and the forecast results becomes
too great and could lead people off down the wrong path which I certainly
don’t want to do. So it is better to draw a line in the sand
and say, well, at the early morning track report it is either good
track or no bet and that’s the way it is.If a dead track improves
and you miss three winners, well, so be it. If the track worsens and
you save yourself, even better.
It’s one of those issues that you can’t really overcome
and another reason why it’s called gambling I guess.)
From Mick 7.9.12 (Par Times) ........ . I have
attached a copy of Brisbane Race 6 that I did last Saturday for You
to have a look at with My little Horse Program I wrote in excel. This
is why I trust Your times . I know We cannot win every race , but
when these come up, they are worth it. I have some times from another
source, but they are not as good and trustworthy as yours.
RACE 6. MY SECOND PICK NO: 8 BILLUM( MY $9:69 CHANCE TO WIN) WON PAYING
$21:80 AND $6:20 A PLACE. THE FIRST PICK NO: 4 DAMN GOOD IDEA FROM
ROCKHAMPTON ( MY $1:60 CHANCE TO WIN) CAME SECOND. ON UNITAB THE QUINELLA
FOR $1 PAID $141:60 AND EXACTA FOR $2 PAID $350:00. EVEN ANY TWO FOR
$2 PAID $52:20.
That was a great result and made your time ratings encouraging to
me.So once again Peter, thank you mate for your commitment and time.
Let me know when the updates are ready and I will buy them straight
Thanks Mick - yes they throw up some good results from time to time
(pardon the pun) - the updates are on the agenda for later this year.
The "agenda" however seems to get longer and longer)
From Shane 28.8.12 (Apprentices) ...........Just
a quick FYI regarding claiming apprentices (CA). In your system "The
Grail", detailed on your Whole Box and Dice CD, you noted (as
a chaos factor) CA on favourites. I regularly audit the Champion Picks
web-site and noticed a recent blog-article that I thought might interest
you. David Duffield (CEO), a respected racing professional, surveyed
the results of Metropolitan' favourites for the past two seasons and
found that CA lose 10% on turnover, with all other jockeys losing
2% on turnover. This
certainly supports your thesis, Peter. A thesis that I have also strongly
believed, after many years of reviewing Saturday results.
(Ed: Don't know David but obviously a man
of great intellect.........:-).........Yes it is clear cut to my mind
– as I often ask people: if you want to build a house do you
get a fully qualified tradesman to do it? And how do you feel if you
visit the site and the only ones working on the house are apprentices
and the tradesman isn’t there? Interestingly one thing I have
observed is that if the apprentice is starting from barrier 1 or 2
they do much better (probably because the number of decisions decreases)
– just to complicate the issue a little more – AND if
they are drawn in the OUTSIDE two barriers they do better (probably
because their boss just tells them to “jump out and get as close
to the lead as you can” so the horse is allowed to run and doesn't
get held up midfield and increase the number of mid race decisions
they have to make.......I think it is where they are drawn in the
middle of the field that all the trouble starts……just
From Scott 21.8.12 (Whole Box & Dice package)....I
got the Whole Box and Dice System the other day. Bloody hell, I will
be there for a year trying to read all of this...hahaha. Good Stuff!!!
From Dennis ( Power Of One test)........Many
thanks for the 8/1 Canberra winner yesterday from Power of One. Ill
be one of the first to purchase this system when you market it.
(Ed: Yes it goes okay - the testing continues
- no rush, as with all things in this genre)
From Scott 14.8.12 (Frequently asked question!!).......If
my understanding is correct (with the Whole Box & Dice package)
you can input the criteria for each system into (Bet Selector)
and it will make the selections for you. is this correct? Is this
software (Bet Selector) able to be used on all of your systems
in the box and dice set?
50% of the methods I have played around with over the years and sell
through this site fit in to the BS model but 100% of them
CAN ALSO be done manually with any of the free form guides
available on the net– only the time taken is the big question
– BS does it instantly – manually would take a lot of
time to do the same job – for example I run the 24 methods that
we use in the MultiMeth idea through BS on my computer every day –
takes less than 1 minute. The methods that don’t fit BS are
like that because there are some of my criteria that BS can’t
measure and some methods require being there in front of the computer
race to race– different strokes for different folks)
From Peter 08.08.12 (Defender) ....................I
purchased your Race Rate Defender Methodolgy about 1 month ago. I
must say, I'm impressed, I followed the system for 3 Saturday meetings
and have had a good strike rate. Of the 57 races that I thought meet
the criteria of the system, I've had 21 winners, the best paying a
massive $17.10!!!! So I say Thankyou.
From Paul 29.7.12..........Thank you for your
CD Whole Box & Dice, great product!
From Chas 21.7.12 (NZ Niche method).......Thanks
for the race system. Although the selections it throws out are few
and far between sometimes, when they do come, they are really good.Have
got them ranging from$ 1.60 – $16.80 for a win. The last one
was just 2 days ago. So, over all, I’m very happy. Just one
question. When the rules say a horse must have won or placed, Is 4th
place termed as “a place” ? Sometimes they pay out to
(Ed: No - to me place is very clear cut
- 1,2 or3)
From Zane 15.7.12 (methods)..........was intersted
in the Sydney Metro 2011 Tested Method, so if i follow the exact same
rules is it fair to say i could make a good second income?
(Ed: There are NO certainties in gambling.
If you are seeking that, you are on the wrong bus)
From Bruce 14.7.12..........Thank you for your
website. Unusual to find someone talking commonsense in regard to
systems and punting in general........
From David 13.7.12 (Stuff).........I'm a fledgling
professional punter. I've worked on systems for quite a while, and
I've recently started committing money to my favorite. Three months
in it's looking very good. I read your article on stress, and I totally
agree with you, especially the part about meditation. I almost always
meditate before betting.
I have seen how becoming stressed loses me money.
(Ed: Good on you David. The stress factor
is very often overlooked when it comes to rational decision making
but when you write about stuff like meditation people generally think
you're off with the fairies and a "loopy". Have a stress
From Matt 13.7.12 (Masterlays) .......Just wanted
to say thankyou ......... . the best money I've spent on punting .
Teach a man to fish so to speak rather than spend money on getting
the tips . I can't believe how often these horses are overbet especially
maidens . This has kept my bank growing at steady rate so for that
thanks again I just thought I'd let u know .
From Peter 10.7.12 (Multi-Meth).........I use
the Multi meth selections through my mobile email and find it a great
service. I very much enjoy your website and wisdom you provide.......
Paul: 1.7.12 (Daily Ratings) .......just re
subscribed to your daily ratings via the Paypal .......... I have
found this to be an excellent service.
Greg: 29.6.12 (Counter Bet)
I have been reading through a lot of your articles
and thoroughly enjoying them. I like your writing style and humour
and the "matter of factness".
Your articles make a great deal of sense to me and I am starting to
pick up the common theme about how to be more professional and disciplined
I have been to your site a few times before to cash in on the free
stuff but I find myself looking to go that next step towards being
a more disciplined punter.
Yesterday I bought your CounterBet system and put it into practice
last night. After sitting there for a few hours I think I am starting
to "get it".
Typically I run some systems but I am always having a few bob in other
My systems do quite well but it all gets evened up by the social punting
but last night I think I have taken a step closer.
After spending 3 hours making $25 (from an outlay of $35 for POT of
73% thank you very much) the urge to blow $5 on a dog I knew nothing
about no longer held much appeal to me.
So this morning I still have my $25 hard earned cash in the account.
And when I think about it I drool over systems that can "double
the bank" in a few months but I have now realised after using
CounterBet (and reading your article on Compound
Gambling) that betting to a small target every day and
achieving it, say $20, it takes less that 2 months to make $1000!
Of course you wont hit your target every day but thats not the point.
The point is I dont need to go up and down by hundreds every day to
make a profit, and particularly if I can make that profit from a minimal
outlay my assets are more protected. I seem to be happy breaking even
some days and justify that because I have turned over $500 to do it!
So making a solid $25 from $35 makes me feel kinda good.
I very much like CounterBet. I do understand it completely, it makes
sense and I do understand the downside and how quickly you can get
there. (Ed: Well noticed!)
So thanks for
such a great site with a wide range of topics covered that you dont
typically find in one place.
I think you have a great balance of giveaways (that work!) and products
for purchase and I can certainly appreciate the amount of hours you
have spent in writing articles and developing systems.
(Ed (blushing) : Thanks Greg - I think your
words in analysing your own betting traps hold more truth than I could
ever write - sounds to me like you're at the start of the "path"
- good luck with it!)
From Ross: 28.6.12 (Par Times)..........It is
invaluable. I used it today to assess 2 races at Wyong in conjunction
with another spreadsheet I have that also includes average prize money
per race. Interesting results to say the least. Wyong race 4 (only
5 starters) system predicted order of 2,3,6,1,7, Actual result was
2,6,1,7,3. 3 must have had a bad day as rest of order was spot on.
Wyong race 7 (8 starters) system 9,2,7,5,3,4,10,11. Didn't get all
places in order but first four were 2,7,3,10. Of the top 3 predicted
2 appeared as 1st and 2nd. Something in this I am sure.
(Ed: Glad you find them invaluable Ross
- one day we hope you find them valuable - sorry, old Monty Python
line - couldn't resist! The Par Times were the result of many many
hours of research so glad they are still applicable these few years
later - will probably still be for some years to come I would think
unless we suddenly see a whole host of very very fast horses which
From Damian: 21.6.12 (Staking Plan)..........thanks
for sharing your staking plan which I have now adapted to my own spreadsheet.
It makes sense completely but I can see why some people would get
bored with it all at the very start.........Whole Box & Dice is
proving to be a great research platform ........best punters site
on the web
(Ed: Thank you Damian for the kind words.
Yes, the staking plan tends to be very boring when you kick it off
but there you go - a lot of things in life are boring aren't they?
But playing around with horses sure beats
a lot of other more boring things I could reflect upon (!!) and as
long as it doesn't become a problem for you and you have the $$$ to
lose if that so happens to be the outcome, it's an enjoyable way to
go for many ......including me.)
From Brett 5.6.12...... I enjoy your site immensely
From Dallas 1.6.12 (Par Times)............thanks
for the par times that came through this morning, they've been something
I've been meaning to get for ages and already have been a great help
(that's after about 6 hours with them!!)
Pat 25.5.12..........excellent site. Can you
please tell me what staking approach you take personally?
(Ed: Thanks for the kind words in the other
part of your letter Pat. Well you have spurred me in to action (!!!)
and my own personal plan is explained
in full on another page which is accessible by clicking HERE)
Jeremy (Whole Box & Dice) 22.4.12..........couldn't
believe how quickly it arrived out here where I am in the woop woop!...........a
wealth of information....thanks
Karly 12.4.12 (The Grail).........thanks for
being so patient and answering all my follow up questions. You don't
get that sort of after sales service much any more.
website is extremely helpful.
Des 31.3.12 (Cascade 10)..........I think I
have an understanding of it now......Very impressive bit of work.
Josh 28.3.12( (CounterBet)........ I have received
Counterbet files. This is
a very good system, I am making small bets and my unitab bank is slowly
(Ed: No worries Josh
and well done on adopting a sensible "easy does it" approach)
Rex 23.2.12 (MultiMeth) ....I have been using
Multimeth since early January and as I work most days it is easier
for me just to put my bets on the night before using Betfair I pretty
much only use starting price. Because of this I don't bet on NZ races,
but anyway got a nice surprise last night Love Our Girls in Brisbane
won and payed just over $34 on SP with Betfair. I don't suppose that
will happen again for a while, glad I was there for it though.
(Ed: No, they don't happen too often, mores
the pity, but they do put a bit of a bounce in your step, don't they?
Fair result for using a disciplined and consistent approach!)
Kane 18.02.12 (MultiMeth - OutRater)......been
using Outrater for a while with solid results..... my main question
is why do you not include proven successful systems like outrater
in your multi method service?
reason OutRater isn’t included with the multi meth at the moment
is because I am still doing OutRater manually because I haven’t
had the time (or expertise!) to completely automate it whereas the
multi-meth selections are totally automated. It
may be that down the road I can work out how to do the “value
judgments” I use in OutRater - the whole thing is still an evolving
idea in a lot of ways which is proving most interesting to me)
Joe 15.02.12 ..(General) ......I have never
met you face to face, but you are one of the few if any that I actually
trust on the internet when racing is regarded. I once paid you too
much money for one of your products, & you repaid me within minutes,
not too many would do that!.
Greg 31.01.12 (Multi-Meth) ........I’m
having a lot of fun with MultiMeth so far, Sat was very good, keep
up the good work!
Wayne 26.01.12 (Whole Box & Dice).........very
interesting product.....really enjoy the practical and common sense
approach you have taken and some of the systems are very interesting
to say the least
Barry 22.01.12 (The Grail)........without doubt
the most intriguing approach to winning I've seen but I must say the
staking plan that you sent with it makes it "pure gold"
Carter 10.01.12 (OutRater)
.....great afternoon today with 3 wins and a second from just four
selections......Reece at $22 made my day
(Ed: Yes it was a very pleasant afternoon
wasn't it? What a pity it doesn't simply do that every day ...ah well,
we live in hope :-) )
Liong 06.01.12.........I've been a regular reader
on your website. it gives me so much information about betting or
should I say, investing, on horses. I've been trying to make money
on horses and always failed because I'm one of those people who gets
desperate and panics if I don't win and start putting all my money
on favorite without doing any homework about the horse. You talk about
this on your current articles "observation favorite". So
thank you for sharing your knowledge to us smaller punter trying to
have an extra money and keep up the good work.
From Ari (OutRater)
30.12.11...........I am enjoying the outrater
system..................learning the art of discipline and sticking
to the rules..... after
180 win bets, my profit on turnover is about 10% which is lower than
what you achieved b/n April and July in 2011 (22.85%)......the only
real variable in the system is the class rule. Did you use a specific
rule in your approach. At the moment, I will exclude a selection if
the prize money in its previous race was less than 40% of the current
(Ed: Glad you are
in front on OutRater - the actual % will vary all the time of course
but as you are undoubtedly coming to appreciate it is the overall
LONG TERM result that counts. Interesting to read in The Australian
lately that Australia's biggest punter aims for an annual 1% profit
As to class, I am coming to the position lately that if the prize
money for the horse's race today is DOUBLE or more compared what it
ran in last start, I just about discard automatically UNLESS it has
run (and successfully) at today's level in the past so I guess we
are on the same tram - just looking at it in a slightly different
Craig (WB&D) 23.12.11.........arrrived this
morning.....very impressive....so thrilled to find that "bonus
software you can't mention" included with the package. I always
used to wonder what that was like....it will be interesting to see
if it still has application some 20 years on.....merry xmas
thanks the Cd came this morning......WOW,
what a collection of systems.......willl need all holidays to go through
You must be a speed reader....it took me years!!!! :-)....Australia
Post are quite good aren't they even at this time of the year - well
done to the posties)
From Warwick ... (WB&D)....22.12.11..........Many
thanks for the extra systems.......I'm thoroughly enjoying the contents
of The Whole Box and Dice as well as your daily ratings..........
Bill...20.12.11.......I always get something
out of your systems, even if it sends my thinking on a different tangent.
(Ed: That's terrific and the whole object
of the exercise. Because of the nature of the thing, it is all but
impossible to come out in front if you follow the "herd"
reasoning and betting patterns without showing enormously more discipline
than the "herd" norm. Lemmings don't make good gamblers!)
Gerald.....19.12.11......Just like to say a
big thank you for the recent methods that you posted. Love all your
methods and am a big fan of your work. Hope you have safe and happy
Graham (Whole Box & Dice) 16.12.11.......
Received The whole box and dice monday, but my house has been in turmoil
this week and now is the first opportunity i've had to let you know
and take a look at it. So much to go through! Apart from that I'd
just like to say I spent a large part of last weekend poring over
the site and was amazed at the wealth of good free information, wonderful
stories and sound punting advice available to anyone prepared to take
the time too peruse it all. All I can say is it's a great site and
if someone can't gain anything by reading through it then they should
keep their hands in their pockets or give it all to the missus. Seasons
Brandon (Daily Ratings) 15.12.11........Freak!
That's the one word that describes you......a $62 top rater!!! Wow
2/3 ain't bad at all! I had only 5 units on each of the top raters
but thanks so much!
(Ed: Umm, here's the bad news. It probably
won't happen again today or for some time :-))
Paul Whole Box & Dice) 07.12.11......The
Whole Box and Dice arrived in the mail last night. I read it for about
4 hours and I think your product is under priced compared to a lot
on the market
Rex (Bet Selector) 04.12.11......Thanks for
the review of Bet selector. ........I realise that you haven't mucked
around with it too much. I have a pretty good collection of Racerate's
systems which I like very much, so my question is, can I use your
systems with this programme? I love your website, makes me late for
work most days and keeps me from doing things that I'm suppose to
be doing. Just joking, but I do have a squizz most days I seem to
always learn a little more about punting that I did yesterday. Have
a great festive season.
(Ed: Thanks for the kind words. Some
Racerate methods can be used with BS but most can't because of the
"non standard" criteria I tend to look at ......... I guess
because I look at quirkier angles - :-)
Paul (Idyllic Gambling Days) 29.11.11......oh
my god, reading the above reminded me of my teenage years in the sixties.
I'm 60 now. I didn't have a grandma but I had a neighbour who was
exactly like your grandmother. I cannot believe that everything you
wrote was a reflection of my teenage years at the races. Except Joan
(our neighbour) followed down here what we had was a four race place
card run by the local football club, quite illegal but everyone turned
a blind eye.
(Ed: Ah, the old four race place accumulator
card. Wow, that brings back a few memories as well - lol. Yes, the
good old days when the "blind eye" actually saw reality.
These days of course we have the goody two shoes wankers who want
to control every thought and thing that everyone does because they
know better than everyone else in the whole wide world and they are
the fonts of all knowledge because they got elected. They claim morality
is on their side. Care to check their court records as a grouping?)
Brian (SelfRate) 26.11.11.......I just want
to say that I gave the program a go at Moonee Valley last night and
(R3-#8 = $5.20/2.00), (R4-#11 = $4.50/1.90), (R6-#2 = $19.50/4.70),
were all winners for me. “Good ratings tool”.
Ivan (Whole Box & Dice) 16.11.11.........I
think the WB&D represents the best value I have seen for some
of these things
Terry (ratings) 13.11.11.......just had to drop
you a note to say thanks for Strike One at Sydney yesterday. When
I saw you had it equal top rated I thought you must have been drunk...........daily
double here paid over $275............just great. Thanks.
(Ed: Yes it's good when the 50/1 pops salute
which is about every blue moon unfortunately)
Peter (Whole Box & Dice) 3.11.11.......there
are a lot of good ideas and plenty of food for thought. Good value
Gerry (Daily Ratings) 3.11.11............. nice
tri in the last at Flemington (nearly 3k).....I basically just used
your ratings for the day on the selected races ended up with a nice
(Ed: Yes they will throw up long priced
winners from time to time - they are of course only designed to be
a "starting point" for your considerations, not "commandments
from on high")
Keith (Whole Box & Dice) 03.11.11.......splendid
service, many thanks.
Brian 25.10.11 (SelfRate) ....... I have used
the software (and my workaround) to great effect in conjunction with
my own spreadsheets that convert the ratings into a market. A comparison
between my calculated odds and the odds available on the TAB just
prior to the running of a race enables me to identify the value runners.
Last Saturday, the top five rated horses in the Cox Plate provided
me with both the winner and the trifecta. Nice !
Phil 21.10.11 (Grail) ...As a racing and mathematics
enthusiast I love your approach
Gerry 21.10.11.......Thanks for the reply and
the advice about reading the compound gambling. I also read a number
of the other topics you have on the site namely gambling discipline,
deliberately losing and a few others which included 1 on chasing losses.
Many years ago when I would go to the Sale races with my Grandfather
that was his last piece of advice as we walked in the gates every
meeting. If you are losing coming into the last couple of races keep
your hands in your pockets,you are better off going home with a little
rather than none, I have always remembered that.
(Ed: Your grandfather was a pretty smart
guy - as they mostly are!)
Ed, Sausalito, California 15.10.11 (The Grail)........promised
I would write and let you know.........a few modifications and your
Grail works out just great on races over here.......in the collect
line more often than not..........turf or dirt don't seem to matter
......good on you "mate"
(Ed: Yes I rather suspected it would from
my limited knowledge of USA racing - and what a wonderful part of
the world you are living in!! Another guy from San Antonio reports
the same effect which is pleasing to me because I wasn't quite sure
if it would or not :-) )
Peter 11.10.11..........how you have helped
me..... I have been gambling for 25 years, mostly losing, (and) your
advice has given me a new found discipline and structure to follow....I
thank you very much
Welcome. Best letter I have got all week :-)......discipline is the
key - the rest is secondary....without discipline you must lose)
Sarah 6.10.11 (ratings).................enjoying
your pressure Point system and the 20/1 winner at Ballarat from the
free ratings was great....thanks a lot
Harold 3.10.11 (SelfRate)........... I purchased
a few years ago........love SELFRATE cannot wait for the weekend to
Cyril 27.09.11 (Outrater)................finally
got around to using outrater for the first time today............had
seven selections for five winners and a second. Is this a normal result?
(Ed: No. Unfortunate but true! Don't hold
your breath waiting for the same result today)
Karyn 18.9.11 (Whole Box & Dice) .......About
6 months ago I bought the whole box and dice package off your website.
I have since bought Counter bet and have bought single items prior
to this......I am enjoying
your products very much
Scott 04.09.11 (OutRater)........ it landed
some good winners yesterday. I had Lone Rock in Melb that got up at
$25 and a few others ranging from favourites to about $7 so I had
Jason 29.8.11 (OutRater & Bullets).....I
had a few nice wins on Saturday with this system (OutRater), and also
the bullets system I bought from you a while back.
(Ed: Glad you're enjoying OutRater - we're
pretty happy with it still - it's amazing how that Bullets method
keeps delivering after the years since development - I know from feedback
there are many out there that still use it every day)
Les 27.8.11 (Whole Box & Dice- OutRater) ..................what
can I say - 25/1 on betfair - bloody brilliant. All paid for plus
some. Thank you - Les
Lesley 26.8.11 (Bots)....As you would know I
have a number of your systems and enjoy using them very much. I have
been toying with the idea of using a betting bot to run some of the
better ones, that require me to be tied to the computer..... I have
investigated a few of them, but to be honest have ended up more confused
than when I started! Quite a lot of them seem to emanate from Britain
and most require monthly fees, whereas I would prefer a once only
up front cost. I believe there are services around which may customise
a bot for you. I notice you mentioned bots back in May and I was wondering
if you had any more feedback or if you were able to point me in the
right direction. Your advice is always valued
(Ed: Yes - I am with you on these bots -
I remain unconvinced - as much as I have tried to find out, the less
cooperative all these people tied up with them seem to be. Maybe
that's just the way they are - don't trust anyone - never share information
- you know the story…………I am sure they probably
do work but cannot get concrete stuff about it all - to the point
I've become quite bored with trying to find out - you don't
mind things that take time to understand and sort out but when you
just keep banging your head against a brick wall I find better things
to do…….I am a pretty simple sort of bloke so it needs
to be simple for me to do it or I just get frustrated and walk away.
Maybe other people have had success understanding it all and getting
valuable and verifiable information but I haven't got any further
than when my interest in the subject was first spiked)
oneal 24.8.11 (free Greyhound Gold) ........from
a $100 dollar purse to $200 playing at Angle Park, Devonport, Lismore,
and Warragul. I loved the greyhound tips sent from your site per my
request. Its nice to see there is a slight method to use to get the
hocus pocus out of greyhound betting. Thanks again.
Oskar Missy 17.8.11 (Pressure Point).....up
around $600 from the last 7 days using mostly $50 bets
on the Pressure Point System.
Alan 5.8.11 (Masterlays)......I am happy with
my purchase of Masterlays. It is is simple, clear and easy to follow.
Maria 2.8.11 (The Grail) .........I purchased
grail from you a while ago now and enjoy it very much, I notice that
you have a Minimalist 2 staking plan, is it possible to get a copy
(Ed: Glad your having success - yes it has
been a while since you purchased it - I have sent the new Minimalist
II staking plan - you should have received it by now)
Jamie 1.8.11 (The Grail)....Just thought I’d
write this to see if I can get something put up on your feedback section..I
bought The Grail last week and decided to use a $100 starting bank
as opposed to the $1000 starting bank you used in the trial, I am
already $60 better off without too much risk involved. It’s
a very well thought out method and it’s so good to be finally
able to enjoy the horse racing and make a little extra cash from enjoying
the sport without having to stress about losing on my betting and
going into panic mode. This is by far the best method I have seen
and long term I can see it being highly rewarding, keep up the good
work and thanks again.
(Ed: ..the most important phrase you put
in there was " and going into panic mode". That will bring
you undone 90 times out of a hundred - maybe 95......Glad you are
pleased - have fun)
George 25.7.11 (Pressure Point)........can only
bet on weekends unlike you. Last weekend on Saturday and Sunday there
were 24 selections for 9 winners and a even stakes return of over
39 units for 24 I outlayed or a return on investment of about 38%........congratulations
on an original idea as I haven't seen this approach anywhere else
that works............well done
(Ed: Thanks for the kind words George. I
would be surprised if the 38% holds up in the long term though. In
fact I know it won't on a seven day a week basis but I have noticed
Saturday and Sunday do SEEM to be the most consistently profitable
Trevor 13.7.11 (Counterbet).....Counter Bet
still going strong when I can get to it........
Andrew 9.7.11 (Pattern 25)............The pattern
25 has been working quite well. It had a very good day today. It works
well on a set and forget basis in the background. I will give the
" $1000 Staking plan for horse racing" a go together with
the CD that you send me. I reckon this is a very safe staking plan
and can offer some good results at the same time. Thanks for your
help. Not even sure how I came across your site but I like the warnings
that you give quite often. They seem to keep me in check and stop
me from going back to bad habits........
(Ed: Well done - not so much on the Pattern
25 results but for your very recognition of the bad habits stuff.
You've turned "the corner" and you can't do that until you
wake up to the bad habits that are there and holding you back in the
first place. Anyone that's been involved in racing for more than a
couple of years, with average observation skills, should be able to
put together a method that gives them the best chance of success.........the
ones that do succeed overcome all those "bad gambling habits"
along the way as well. The irrational bets, the desperate bets, the
who cares I'm in front bets, the it's only an interest bets, the I'm
here with my mates and they're having a bet bets........the list is
endless. Breaking the cycle is dead set harder than quitting smoking
but once you're free of the silliness it can be great fun.)
Ross....2.7.11 (The Grail)............been meaning
to write since I brought this a few months ago to say how pleased
I am.........don't bet every day because I work as well but it has
won on 95% of the days I've been able to use it............going down
to Brisbane this week for State of Origin and I'm happy to tell you
that the accommodation is on you guys
(Ed: I am so so jealous! How good has that
Lockyer been? Enjoy the game - you'd think Queensland were stone bonkers!)
David 27.6.11 (Pattern 25).........Thought I'd
share this with you. I've noticed that there's a significant increase
in the P.O.T. on pattern 25 if you bet only on horses that fall between
$6 - $10 Starting Price (or approx)
Alistair, Warrawong 23.6.11 (Whole Box & Dice) ................if
i can't win with all the stuff in this i'll give it up...............great
Gerry 15.6.11 (ratings) ........am finding your
ratings on horses extremely helpful and great..........
Anthony 14.6.11 (The Grail)...........concept
is excellent and obviously well researched........how long does it
take you to research these things?
(Ed: A long time - my wife will tell you
Trevor 8.6.11 (CounterBet)....All is good with
Counterbet. A great easy to use system.......
Peter 6.6.11 (The Grail)..........hi Peter.......
don't know if this helps but i see a new corporate bookie " READBET
" run by one of mark reads relatives ! has a deal of 10% rebate
on win and place losing bets .. they claim the win bet will be slightly
larger [ couple of cents ] then the super tab pay out , plus the the
losing bet 10% rebate . might increase your pot by 6% or 7% on the
minimalist ver 11 ?
i am assuming " the grail " prices are from super tab ?...................ps
no i don't have an interest in promoting readbet
Thanks for that Pete......good tip for those that are interested and
makes sense to me. Here's the link for those that wish to investigate
Joel 30.5.11 (CounterBet)..........undoubtedly
one of your first Crash Test Dummies (lol) to try CounterBet let me
say how good it is........been using the low level staking approach
since starting it .......haven't had one losing day since starting
and am about to ramp up now I am confident in how it all works so
wish me luck..................terrific work in developing this and
detailed as always.....interested to ask what do you see as the greatest
(Ed: Joel you don't need luck but you DO
need discipline......my advice is to go from the lowest risk to medium
risk staking plan if you want to but don't increase your at risk bank
until you really know how it works inside and out....patience, patience,
patience! The greatest risk is waiting too long to put the bet on
before they jump. The second greatest risk is not waiting long enough
to out the bet on before they jump. That takes a fine touch and degree
of experience and logic.......)
Greg 290511 (The Grail) .......Hi Peter, I would
like to thank you for the work you put into the grail system, it is
doing very well.
Bill 230511 (AllUp article) .....I have been
having some success with running two and three race each-way all up
bets (e.g. Races 1&2, 1&2&3, 2&3, 2&3&4 etc.).
For an 8 race meeting this means 7 x 2 race all ups (28 units) and
6 x 3 race all ups (48 units). It's amazing how one or two winners
coupled with a $2.50 or $3 place getter can mount up. Cheers, Bill
Jan 180511 (The Grail)...Hi Peter, Not only
did it help but I got it in one :-). THANKS
Jan 170511 (The Grail)...I think I got the concept
all right. I was wondering whether you would be prepared to go 'beyond
a call of duty' and design and send me a copy of a excel spreadsheet
as the ones that I'm making are not working properly please?
(Ed: Have sent to your email addy :-) )
Gary 19.04.11.................I have used a
number of your systems in the past and have not been disappointed.
Gerald (The Grail) 12.04.11.........Very interesting.
You must have spent a lot of time working this all out. Great work.......
Les..11.04.11........I`m a long time user of
your site. I have to say you are still the best value for money there
is...(and isn`t that what we punters should be searching for ..VALUE).
In my humble opinion you have created the most informative punting
site I have come across.
Alan (Grail) 06.04.11...........without doubt
the most successful racing product I have ever purchased...............the
apprentices rule has saved me many times..............have reverse
engineered the approach and am actually laying the non qualifiers
with great success but I guess you thought of that a long time before
(Ed: Hi Alan. Yes, the Grail works exceptionally
well and I do venture to the "dark side" for laying non
qualifiers myself, particularly if they are less than $2.50)
Ross (The Grail) 31.3.11.............to say
I was doubtful when I purchased this is an understatement as I have
been burned a few times before with systems but this is the real thing.
After nearly two months I can say I have never used anything as successful
as this and I have been enjoying punting for over 25 years. Your non
chaos theories are exceptionally well thought out as I have discovered
as each race goes by. Well done. I am a convert. While I am writing
may I also say how much I enjoy the articles you write. You are correct
when you stress the importance of overcoming the mind games that I
am sure we all experience. To anyone reading this, get the whole box
package as it is a real treasure trove of punting ideas. I am so pleased
I did. You may publish this on your site if you so feel inclined.
(Ed: Thanks for the kind words Ross - glad
you have joined the right side of the ledger :-))
Georgios (Self Rate) 250311.........using selfrate
in uk races with great success
David (Prime Factor) 20.3.11.............About
three weeks ago I bought the Pre 2009 Methods from you but unfortunately
up until yesterday I have been to busy to try out any of the systems
that were included. I finally found some time yesterday to try your
Prime Factor system and I would just like you to know that it is still
performing absolutely brilliantly I had 14 selections with 7 winners
including payouts of
(on Betfair) 22.00 15.00 9.00 and 7.00. What can I say except brilliant.
Thank you for all the time and effort that has been put into these
systems by everyone at your establishment to help make them so successful.
I understand that I will not get such good results every day but it
certainly helps to restore your faith in humankind to actually get
a system that works after spending thousands of dollars on systems
from other people that are not even worth the cost of the paper that
you print them out on.
(Ed: Wow - there's a wrap - thanks David
- but I'm glad you added
"I understand that I will not get such good results every day"
"Ozmium" forum 18.311 .......I
have used a Racerate system & back tested their figures &
they were correct. They
do stipulate that their figures are correct. they also stipulate,
that it does not mean it is guaranteed to work in the future. What
one is paying for is their research based on past results because
they don't have results from the future. They then live test the systems
for 1-3 months after that to see if they perform .......Bhagwan
Garry, Essendon (The Grail) 18.3.11.................a
bit confused as to what to do when the dead heat happened this afternoon.
Other than that has been going very very well in the five weeks since
Good question Garry about the dead heat result. As it hasn't been
a factor in all the races up until now, we weren't sure either! At
the end of about 30 seconds consideration (:-)) we simply copped the
loss and moved on. It was a lineball decision but we went with the
conservative approach and reccomend that at all times. I know....boring)
"Ozmium" forum 18.311......I dont
use any of the free ones but I did buy Master Lays and I am in front
and continue to use it. Highly recommend racerate so far. No ****
Simon (The Grail) 13.3.11.................the
word extraordinary comes to mind..............have never purchased
a system before and approached it with a deal of skepticism but have
been completely surprised.......have not had a losing day since I
brought it off you nearly a month ago.............agree with your
ideas on slow but sure
Tom (Whole Box & Dice) 07.03.11........Hi
Its Tom I recently got the whole box and dice and simply love the
stuff in it ......
Henry (Box & Dice) 02.3.11...........l'm
enjoying the SSG Software and your Ratings...been having fun with
them plus Pos+,Pat25,Chev using them all in my Tris&1st4s...plus
taking the 1st longest pre post over 15/1 with them in my first four
sections had couple of hits ....but the ssg sure gets a lot of big
Paul (free systems) 25.2.11.....................o.m.g.
what a lot of work you have put into these freebies.... I don't normally
or should say that I don't bet on the "doggies" or the"
red hots" but i will be looking at them at a different angle
Helen, Grafton (The Grail) 19.2.11...............faith
in this continues to grow as the results roll in every day .......
am using the medium staking plan but wish now I had started on the
high risk method you have outlined......
(Ed: Oh dear oh dear - Helen - I hope you
are re-reading this. Remember the instructions and why it is called
Mick, Henley Beach (The Grail) 13.2.11....three
words, very very good
Aaron, Cootamundra (The Grail) 8.2.11..........the
logic behind the selection process is quite brilliant......started
every day has been a winner...hope it keeps going
You and me both Aaron :-))
Bernie (Daily Ratings) 20.12.10.................a
long term subscriber (satisfied) to your ratings........well done
on Kylemore castle at Barnsdale this afternoon......you had it top
rated at $3.10....paid nearly $14 here in NSW..............has paid
for the turkey the ham the presents and then some....lol
(Ed: Thanks for your continued support .
James (Cascade 10) 19.11.10................(cascade
10)..... was exactly what I needed to get my betting focus..............best
Elliott (Pattern 44) 16.11.10..................just
curious as to why you describe it as a place betting method...........since
I started using this a couple of weeks ago I have made a substantial
profit betting for the win.................
(Ed: Hi Elliott - yes Pattern 44 remains
a great conundrum to me but I still believe in the long term it is
a place betting not win betting idea. Only time will tell but frankly
it is driving me crazy!)
Chris (Cacsade 10) 13.11.10...............Your
Cascade 10 staking system is simply the best thing I have ever bought
on line for racing............been using it now for a few months and
it has completely turned around my profit / loss ratio like nothing
else................mathematically brilliant approach which has eliminated
the dreaded run of outs............you should be charging more for
(Ed: Thanks Chris for the kind words. We
like it as well!)
Henry (Pattern25/Positive Plus/ Chevron) 1.11.10............l've
been down loading the form from AustRacBoard...and saving them..then
opening it up with Mic/soft/Office...and high lite what l don't need
and delete them .... all you have left is what you need...found it
much quicker....just thought you like to know...thanks to you still
going great with them...Henry
(Ed: Good news Henry that things are still
going well for you after all this time. You are correct about easy
ways to do the form. Much better than the bad old days with newspapers
spread out all over the joint! I use a programme called Dreamweaver.......more
on it by clicking here
but it sounds like you've already got it sorted!)
Ben (BlockBuster) 30.10.10............now three
days of operation in and every day has been a winning day. Wow. This
is just great......................so far compiles as 25 units invested
for 47.6 units returned and no sign of the bogie man yet.............
(Ed: Refer previous reply :-))
Ben (BlockBuster) 29.10.10............used Blockbuster
for the first time yesterday - five selections for two winners a second
and a third.........total of 5 units out for nearly 13 units return.....
first system I've ever purchased so to say I am realy pleased is an
(Ed: It is unlikely to be that good every
day ben so caution is advised. Don't get rash. Don't think it's infallible
because it's not...... but I am pleased you had good fun on your first
John (Whole Box & Dice) 15.10.10.........I
received the whole box and dice CD last week and I was more than pleased
with the contents and infomation provide. You have done a fantastic
job developing all these systems....................
From Jack (SelfRate 8.10.10)..........I
know everyone is talking about the new software and I may well purchase
that one day but I am bound over to say that your selfrate software
that I have had for the last three years is absolutely wonderful.
I know it is slower to do and all that but as I am retired the essence
of time is something I am willing to sacrifice in the aim of accuracy.
Honestly Peter if it wasn't for selfrate supplementing our pension
I don't know what we would have done over the last couple of years
or how we would have paid those mongrel electricity bills. You may
use this on your computer site if you should so desire............Jack
(Ed: Thank you Jack. The other matter you
mentioned is being attended to and you should get the package in the
next few days. I am grateful for your input. As I say many times -
to the point of being very boring- it is the very discipline and time
input that you show that wins in the end)
Gerald (general) 26.8.10........All your systems
are brilliant and very well done,also well thought out. Congratulations
on putting a lot of people on the straight and narrow.Help me no end
(Ed: [blushing] Thanks for the kind words
Gerald. The problem with trying to help people stay on the straight
and narrow is: who keeps me on the straight and narrow? (lol) A lot
of what I write ain't brain surgery - if it is , please God, never
let me need a brain surgeon! I know I have said it many times but
90% of it comes down to discipline and controlling the emotions that
make us gamblers in the first place. By the way, despite what the
doo-gooders endlessly tell us, there is NOTHING wrong with gambling.
Beats heroin adiction hands down. The only problem with most things
happens when they're taken to excess. Stay
in control. Be disciplined and enjoy the ride! Above all else - HAVE
FUN - that's what it is supposed to be.)
John (ratings) 25.7.10 .................today
was simply brilliant....thanks a million well not quite but a long
way over a thousand
(general) 19.7.10...........Thanks for a great
site for racing fans. I particulary love the recent statistical information
you have provided, Looking forward to more of the same.......
Gerry (free Tas Ratings) 15.7.10..........thanks
for your free Tassie ratings..........took your 3x3x3x3.........paid
$1300+ so it might be my shout...............great service for zilch
(Ed: Onya Gerry - but I wouldn't count on
it happening every day :-))
From Andy (Pattern 25) 1.7.10.......well done
on the last month of Pattern 25.........use larger units than your
25 so as you can imagine I have a little more spending money than
I was anticipating for our trip away....thanks .......heartily reccomended.
Tim (Pattern 25) 23.6.10 ......cracker of a
day today with a healthy profit for June so far.....well done on the
changes you made.......perceptive......
(Ed: Yes Tim. I am just doing my results
now. I didn't think I was going mad! May was a poor month so it is
good to see the June "correction in direction". Hey I might
copyright that - "correction in direction" - like it. I
still have doubts about the "change of season" to the lesser
class of winter horse and wonder if there will be recurrence at the
end of winter when the better class of horse comes back so I have
concerns there. Still - onwards and upwards :-))
Henry (various) 9.6.10............l been happy
with "Pat 25" for l mixed them with paylays .. l've had
42 bets and winning $48 for a dollar.. and thanks for your dogs Ratings
found them very useful been taking been taking 20 dogs over the 920
ratings and backing them for 5 starts...been good results with parlays....l
have been using your three Chev..Pos+...Pat 25..on all tracks just
having a small tickle........any way Thanks for every thing...Henry
(Ed:Thanks Henry for the feedback .......yes,
I can imagine that would work well on the Tasmanian dogs ratings -
interesting thought starter!)
Russell (Daily Ratings) 31.5.10 ....... I have
been using your ratings for the past 2 months and have been enjoying
some success.......I think you run a great service
(Mega CD / ratings) 27.5.10.......received the
Mega Systems CD and thank you, It is good to see plans for greyhounds
and Harness racing. Also thank you for the bonus subscription to your
ratings service I have been getting good any-2 bets..............
Shepherd (Pattern 25) 4.5.10.........Thanks
for getting back to me so quickly with answers to my queries, once
Ive done the workouts a few times Im sure I will be fine, but good
to know you are only an email away from providing assistance......
(Ed: No probs - that's what is supposed
to happen isn't it? )
From Jason (Pattern 25) 28.4.10...........Good
start with the system Peter ......I used a $10 each way investment
today for a 34% return on money invested. Should have been 41% except
for rookie mistake..........A quick question - on a day with 30 races
to invest in do you typically just run a set and forget and place
all the investments for the day at once? If you only have a certain
bank for investing do you scale the dollar value of the bets back?.........What
are your thoughts on this when starting out.
(Ed:I always use “set and forget”
because I have a lot of stuff on the go simultaneously – mostly
because of the number of years I have been playing with these things
and I do some lay betting on Betfair ( laying horses not rated in
the daily ratings top 4 that are less than $3.00) so my day (and nights!)
are fairly full . I
recommend people start with bets equal to 3% of their bank –
anything more is risky – anything else is “so big deal!”
– but hey, that’s up to you.Bet ONLY what you can afford
to lose J - boring aren’t I?)
From Carl (Pattern 25)
24.4.10................have never felt compelled
to write "testimonials" to anyone BUT I make an exception
here. I have bought systems before from other sellers like
xxxxxxxxxxx but amazingly as soon as I have they seem to stop
working as if by magic to somehow punish me for my foolishness. This
is something quite unreal. This afternoon was sensational and I enjoyed
it immensely. For something that is really quite simple the results
are astounding. A thousand thanks......literally.
(Ed: Thanks for making an exception Carl
- yes a great day yesterday - pity they all can't be like that!!)
From Marc (Whole Box & Dice) 22.4.10.....Thanks
for the prompt service and good communication. The "whole box
and dice" arrived yesterday, as Express Posted items should.
I'd love to comment on what's in the package, but after a quick look,
I see it's going to take months to peruse the whole lot - and that's
exactly what I wanted! So it looks good so far and let's hope I can
use a few ideas from the disk. Thanks too, for the ratings ... I'm
sure I'll be using those for a while also. The whole envelope was
(Ed: No worries Marc - enjoy!)
Peter (Daily Ratings) 12.4.10..................admit
I was sceptical at first as I am with all racing based products............your
ratings profitability has exceeded my expectations...... get a lot
out of the punting philosophy type article you write as well as they
are well written and thought provoking.......... thanks
Matt (Dog Busters) 29.3.10 ..........I purchased
the Dog Busters Plan in late 2008. I really like the plan, have been
able to pick up some really good winners. With regards to the staking
plan I am having a bit of trouble trying to work out what the deficit
amount should be after each bet. Are you able to email the Excel spreadsheet?
(Ed: Glad to know that Dog Busters is still
delivering for you - spreadsheet is no worries)
Mark (Pattern 25) 21.3.10.......You know it's
really interesting looking at the selections and the pricing the market
throws up. Small Minds a case in point. It beats Aloha by 1.9 lengths
last start, coming HOME quite well, looking for all the world it can
get longer and in this race the market assesses it at 35-1, with Aloha
at 5-1. I suppose that is the reality of an imperfect market, it creates
opportunities. I like the system, nice and simple and relying on known
probabilities to assert themselves over the long term, with the advantage
of capitalising on the mispricing of the market. Nice Work, thanks
for a great system, I won't expect last weekend on a regular basis
but it sure looks like a great no fuss steady accumulator....I had
(Ed: just a pity every day can't be be like
that though :-)
Henry (Pattern 25) 21.3.10........just like
to thank your for your Pat-25 selections..thanks to you l had a great
Tim, NZ, (Box & Dice) 21.3.10...........just
have to add my voice to the chorus already on your website ... you
have a fantastic way of doing business prompt professional replies
to any queries and your website is just a wealth of free information
Rod (ratings) 17.3.10..............don't know
how you do it but when they arrive at $30 plus and are top rated I
don't really care.......then to follow it up a couple later with a
$13 winner is really just too much.....fan-bloody-tastic........needless
to say I'm very happy with your product....use this on your web site
if you choose.......thank you, Rod
(Ed: Onya Rod - yes it was another good
day today - glad
to be of assistance)
Andrew (ratings) 6.3.10.........this afternoon
was just the best...........thanks..............ratings just keep
getting better and better..........do you punt these yourself? If
so, why not just punt them?
(Ed: Thanks for the kind words Andrew. Why?
There's lots to go round :-) and shared works better for me - always
John (ratings) 27.2.10 .............I know from
many years of correspondence that you don't 'blow your own trumpet'
so please allow me to blow it for you through your feed back page.
What a great day today. The best I've had in four or five years.....................in
all 21 races you rated 15 winners and had 7 trifectas and more overlays
than I could poke a stick at..................as always, well done............John
Joe (Prime Factor) 27.2.10 ......I have been
a keen student of your selection system Prime factor, but [ yes there
is always a but ] in the past few weeks selections have not been hitting
the line in first position until yesterday Sydney 4 selections one
at $31 another at $10.30 another at $8.50 and the last one at $2.60.........
so as you always say hang in there
(Ed: Impossible to over emphasise the virtue
of patience - it is a vital part of ANY successful venture)
Ben (Ultimate) 26.2.10..........want to say
what a great product............ULTIMATE has been going very well
Helena ( ratings) 25.2.10..........yesterday
did start slowly but Falconten at nearly $25 when you had it price
rated at just over $4 sure made up for the slow start .... very pleased......
(Ed: Yes I had a good day at the end too
Helena - glad you're happy!)
Leon (ratings) 22.2.10............they seem
pretty good but I am not sure of the best way to bet them to make
(Ed: When I get a big chunk of time I have
been playing (modestly successfully) by laying any UNRATED horse less
than $4.50 on Betfair and backing any for a place that are well over
the rated odds. As
I said, only modestly, but still quite successfully)
Colin (ratings) 19.2.10............excellent
this week with so many winners and so many at big overs.....been
so good so far this week I am seriously looking at reducing my bets
for the weekend. Why do I feel less confident the more I back? Got
me beat. Thanks again..............
(Ed: That's actually a good question Col.
I see it happen all the time. A huge run a of winners often leads
to the "Doomsday theory" in that "Doomsday" must
be just around the corner. I don't agree with it. It is demonstrably
as false as the belief that if you've backed a lot of losers the next
winner must be just around the corner.Each race is an individual event
- in no way related to the one before it or the one after it. There
is no reason for things to vary from the long term mean average. I'll
keep betting at the same comfort level this weekend as I have been
during the week as well. Has been a good week for overlays hasn't
From Eric (ratings) 16.2.10...........congratulations
on yesterday with your ratings pricing At The Roxy at Lismore at $4.40
and it paid over $16 here in Victoria...........unbelievable value
.. well done
Mark (ratings) 15.2.10........I just wanted
to let you know how much I appreciate you adding prices to your ratings.
I have been using your ratings for about 6 months now and have purchased
a number of your systems including your self rate software. I have
always been impressed with your service and professionalism......
I find your site to be absolutely wonderful. Full of great information
and your personal observations I find to be very refreshing. I have
been punting on and off for about 30 years (since 15), I worked in
the racing industry as xxxxxxxxxxxxxx for about 7 years for
racingnsw, so I have seen a number of sides of the industry. I now
own a number of businesses and investments and I am so pleased to
hear your views on money and how people need to view their punting
activities and the caution they need to take....... Since finding
your site and considering your punting philosophy I have found my
own punting to be lifted to a whole new level. Certainly in profit
but also in my whole approach...... The price guide you have added
was for me the missing link as I am a bit obsessed about value. I
am using it as a broad guide and tweak it to suit myself, depending
on scratchings and my own opinion of the form of horses not in your
top 4. The results of your ratings continue to be impressive and this
price guide for me has been excellent in crafting a more coherent
strategy linked to value, Saturday just being an outstanding day for
example. I am also a believer in karma and I just wanted to let you
know that your work has many positive effects out side of the passing
on of punting information. Please keep up the good work, your time
and effort is very much appreciated
(Ed: You will never know how much your kind
thoughts are appreciated – seriously! I
sit here day after day on this computer, occasionally looking out
the window to my magnificent back yard and garden which I love to
death, and write this stuff which is based on my own experiences and
lessons hard learned. (As a matter of fact as I write this there
is a big kookaburra sitting on branch of the tree right outside the
window - close enough for me to reach out and touch if the window
was open - and it is just staring at me - knowingly! Very un-nerving!)
Occasionally I think “I wonder if anyone is reading this
stuff or am I just kidding myself that it is actually worthwhile doing?”
I guess we all have self doubts – I know I do! I make a modest
profit from my punting activities for which I am very grateful and
enjoy. I would like to think that passing on the knowledge I have
obtained from over 50 years of doing this (the first 40 were not profitable
I might add - lol) does actually help others to get into the black.
If it works for you I am very happy. Thanks again for the kind words.)
From Mike (ratings)
13.2.10............congrats on ratings again
today - finally, you have started putting prices with them. Well done.
Lots of overs today which made for a good afternoon.....regards
(Ed: Hi again Mike. Gosh, you've been with
these ratings for a long time - one of the brave originals! As you
know, I have dabbled with pricing these in the past but abandoned
publishing them because I just wasn't happy with it at that stage
and I think a lot of folks found it distracting for what they were
doing with the ratings. But, yes, they are back and will stay back
this time as I believe the prices are one of the main planks of success
and a good guide to establishing a pattern of investment. I've set
the prices mechanism at 120% so it gives you a bit more flexibility
in allowing for the tote take out percentage)
Con (systems) 13.2.10 ........... started today,
13/2/2010 on one of your free systems. Success
immediately.17 Bets 14 collects.....Ta....EX LOSER.
(Ed: You're welcome....and stay committed
to being an "ex loser".....if you can it really is much
Paul (general) 10.2.10 ................Thanks
for a great site with lots of free information especially the favs
report now available for download.......Keep up the good work
Steven (Whole Box & Dice) 8.2.10 ..............
wow where to start. There is just so much here to digest....... best
value racing product I have ever purchased. I guess the sad thing
from your perspective is that I will never have to buy anything again
from you............best wishes
Michael (Master lays) 4.2.10 ..............
purchased your Master Lays system last year ....... good success.
Les (Ultimate), 4.2.10.........I had a brainwave
today,due to work commitments,family etc time is hard to come by to
do the form everyday. I am sure there are others out there with the
same problem,so I thought if I could get in touch with 6 other ultimate
system users we could form a "ring" and do a day each a
week and email our selections to the others in the "ring".Then
the next week you do the next day, so if you started on a Monday ,the
next week you do Tuesday and so on as some days have more meetings
than others to make it fair for all. What do you think? Other system
owners could do this too. Would you mind putting this on the feedback
page and if anyone is interested forwarding my email to them Keep
up the good work... Les
(Ed: What a great idea.....well, the offer
is there.... if people choose to reply, I shall pass on your e-mail
to them ! )
Rex, Stanthorpe, 2.2.10 (SelfRate) ................can
I say how much I enjoy your products. It restores my faith in the
punting industry that you take an honest no bulls*** approach to the
way you do business. It is appreciated, believe me.
(Ed: Thanks Rex - I sleep well at night.
Everything on this site is exactly as it has happened and. as I point
out many many times, (to the point of being plain boring) there are
no guarantees that what can occur in one instance can OR CANNOT be
replicated again. It is why it is called gambling - and why I love
it sooooo much :-) - I am sure you will enjoy the SelfRate as much
as the others - I still use the basis of it very regularly and have
done for years so you get no complaints from me. It is still, even
in its raw form, quite reliable and throws up many many winners. If
it didn't, I wouldn't still be retailing it and that is, as you say,is
Tim 24.1.10 (Prime Factor / Counters) ...............purchased
both from you just before Christmas and have been running them in
tandem .........great results ..... didn't know it was this easy......
(Ed: It's not "this easy" - pause
to consider this PLEASE - you may just have started at a good place
to start - don't overlook this and go crazy - but I am happy for you!).
Andrew 3.1.10 (Wole Box & Dice)...........purchased
some four weeks ago and I feel compelled to write and thank you for
an excellent product that has exceeded my expectations............I
have only explored your Master Lay method so far in depth but just
this one system has paid for the purchase quite a few times over so
thank you.....................after a while you get so used to being
ripped off so this has made a very pleasant change and I compliment
you on your honesty and level of service......................feel
free to use this letter on your site.....................looking forward
to many many more hours of exploration and evaluation..........
(Ed: Wow. Andrew, if I wasn't already married.....lol.....thanks.
There's nothing I can add to that!!! The whole idea is to enjoy and
I am pleased to see that you are doing that.)
Yvette 2.1.10 (ratings) .................are
getting even more accurate as the last year has gone on................wanted
to know are they the same as the SelfRate ratings because we get some
slightly different selections to the daily ratings you publish when
we use the SelfRate programme?
(Ed: Good question Yvette. The daily ratings
started out being exactly the same as the Selfrate ratings a couple
of years ago and were done for people who simply didn't have the time
to do the SelfRate ratings themselves. However, as the years passed
the daily ratings evolved through a combination of factors into a
variation of the SelfRate originals. This is not to say that your
Selfrate ratings that you generate are not valid but if I were to
re-write that programme I would vary the weighted factors slightly.
For one thing I now completely DISREGARD track conditions as my thinking
on this has changed over the years. In most circumstances (and all
you go on is "most" or you drive yourself crazy and it's
not worth it) I now believe the track condition is irrelevant to the
performance of most horses. The "purists" can throw their
hands in the air as much as they like - that's just my view and I
have been doing pretty well with this approach.
In the original software that you have, you may also like to try varying
the jockey weighting. I no longer worry about the "top 8"
at each track. I now have a list of the top 40 jockeys in Australia
that I evaluate as a top 8 "option" that I update each 6
months or thereabouts. In fact the list I use is published elsewhere
on this site - the link is on the front page.
other variation to the the original SelfRate programme is that if
a horse is resuming from a spell I put it in the "more than 28
days" category rather than a a first up from a spell option -
again, this is an evolution simply through day to day observation
of thousands and thousands of races. Thanks for the email and kind
words. I have responded to you off site in more detail as you would
Ross 25.12.09 (greyhound tips):.............pleased
to know your six top rated winners in a row at last night's Hobart
dogs not only paid for the xmas turkey and ham but also went a long
way to paying for the presents as well (lol) - especially the one
at 10/1.........well done, but why do you do it for free?
Henry 24.12.09 (greyhound tips): Thanks for
your free greyhound tips that you been sending--all the best on Xmas
and may 2010 be a better year for all of us
(Ed:Hope you a good one too - may they all
Thanks for your good wishes!)
Peter 20.12.09 (general): I have spent a couple
of days scouring your site and can’t believe the amount of useful
information is on it. Thank you! I am about to purchase and try one
of your Methodologies – do you have a favourite? I
have punted for many years with only moderate success, but in recent
years moderate has become very rarely. I can only put it down to the
plethora of exotic betting that I am lured to by the promise of big
dividends. Is it fair to assume, that continuous chasing of exotic
betting as opposed to a staking plan on a win & place system,
will never deliver the same long term results? What is your opinion?
(Ed: Thanks for the e-mail and kind words.
are right on your observations that the lure of the big dividends
can be fatal – big dividends (by their nature) magnify the risk.
Interestingly, I was speaking with one of the form experts down here
only a couple of weeks ago and we were talking about boxing four in
every trifecta. He rightly pointed out that it guarantees you are
taking 23 losing bets in every race! Pretty sobering thought –
so if you only crack the trifecta once in 24 races it has to pay a
dividend of $576 to even break square. Boxing three means if you crack
it once in 24 races it only has to pay $144 to break square. Makes
you stop and think doesn’t it? My favourite is split between
the original Prime Factor method and Counters and Reflections but
I don’t have as much time to punt like I used to as the site
takes a lot of work and providing ratings seven days a week takes
it toll as well.)
Adam 16.12.09: I generally keep my comments
to myself these days, but i just have to respond to the latest piece
of feedback from that ignoramus...... the free information on ur site
is worth more than any free tips will ever be.....thankyou...thankyou,
and thankyou for this amazing resource...the knowledge i have gained
from ur site is simply priceless......the internet would be a poorer
place without a site like yours......keep up the fantastic work, and
as you say...karma will be good to you..... cheers
(Ed: Interesting the people out there, isn't
it? That all kinds of different people can come to the same site and
get such a variety of "stuff" from it...never ceases to
amaze me......I feel sorry for the guy that with an attitude to life
like that it is almost impossible to end up on the right side of the
ledger......negative attitudes attract other negatives.....always
have, always will .........:-).....the only reason I published the
email was for others to gain experience from it and to reassess their
own attitudes to it all .............thanks for the kind words)
Byron177 (unknown - hotmail address)14.12.09 : For years I have been
coming to your scummy site for your free tips but now you low life
b*******s have cut back on the number of free tips you put on your
s*** site....... you're jus low life
(Ed: Well Byron, if that is RaceRate.com,
what can I say? Perhaps time to reflect on the words of those wiser
than I, one of whom said "Give nothing away. People neither value
it nor understand the spirit in which it was given". Perhaps
Byron, you charming piece of work, you should spread your warmth on
other sites. Why favour me with your best wishes alone? If anyone
else feels the same, please let me know. I can fix it very quickly
:-) - oh, and Byron old son, have a happy Christmas - undoubtedly
you won't be having a prosperous new year, but hey, that's life)
Terry (U.K.) (166 Systems CD) 01.12.09: An excellent
product ...... very quick delivery.......well packaged............thanks
Shaunn (Beaudesert) 28.11.09: Thankyou for the
rroducts selfrate and crackerjack..... between both systems and 2
days I have won my total outlay plus 500 percent more. Thankyou very
much, crackerjack doesn’t stop amazing me with picks like Our
Movie Star that payed out 5.70 for the win.
From Chris (Adelaide) 18.11.09 (Box
& Dice): Many thanks guys.You
are a cut above the rest!
Mick, Canberra (12.11.09) Master Lays: ....bought
SelfRate and MasterLays off you earlier today....so far MasterLays
looks very promising.....normally
a Back punter, but betfair has opened my eyes to laying, and i have
seen how MasterLays has worked.......Since getting the system off
you a few hours ago, i am 6 from 6 lays on day 1 and its pretty much
paid for itself....
Mark (2.11.09) Chevron: I just bought the Chevron
method, really surprised about rule 1, which discards all SA, TAS
and NT races. What is the reasoning behind it?
(Ed: The problem with NT, SA and Tas racing
is that they are of such poor quality that consistency goes out the
window using them – even the lowest class of meetings in Victoria
and NSW run to about $12000 to $15000 a race for the lowest class
of racing. South Australian racing, even at Morphettville tomorrow,
Melbourne Cup day, has races worth only $7750, a whopping $8250 for
a 0-62 Hdcp and a class 3, and a 0-75 which is pathetic – it’s
why horses that win there are often those whose last start has been
a $4000 race at Victor Harbour – the NT is the same and, sadly,
so Tasmania has become.
What I have found over the years is that you can’t win money
backing second rate horses and these states are the places of last
resort of second class horses – sad story – but true as
much as love the people here in Tasmania in the racing game –
any horse of any ability goes straight to Victoria or NSW provincials.
So that in a nutshell is the reason why – the pickings are so
much more consistent in Qld, NSW, Vic and WA J - and I am heavily
in to consistency – sadly the other States are becoming losing
propositions that do very little but lengthen the “run of outs”
numbers - I can't see any change in the near future until prize money
levels are raised and the poor sods paying up for these horses every
month get a decent chance of return.What they have a chance of getting
at the moment makes me ask why do they bother? You'd have to have
a horse capable of winning four races or more a year - and n ot many
do that! I guess that's why there are so many trainers that also race
their own horses in these States either outright or in syndicates.)
From Joe (18.10.09) Prime
Factor: Prime Factor is still keeping me in
a good supply of VB longnecks,and i know that is the reason you came
up with this system
(Ed: speechless - just speechless :-)
From Mike (13.10.09)
- General -" ....... apart from that good
news, which I'm sure you find repetitious, why don't you set up a
live forum on this site? I think it would be a good idea."
(Ed: Thanks Mike for the kind words - which
I won't bore others with but they were appreciated :-). I have toyed
with the idea of a live forum but when I see the absolute BS that
ALL the others quickly deteriorate in to, I think I'll pass. Seems
to me that no matter how well intentioned at the start, unless you
have a strictly moderated forum (which I certainly don't have the
time or energy to do!) the sniping and swearing and generally bad
doses of s.o.l. quickly float to the top and I get bored with that
stuff very very very quickly. I like positive people - not negative
drones. Think I'll leave that to others that have far more time than
me to avoid slander and libel law suits!! Life is way too short to
bother with it all.)
From Pat (8.10.09) Free
Tips: .......got back from collecting on Our Questro at the club.........paid
$26.00 and $4.30 here in Victoria....... can't tell you how much I
needed that I was so desperate I had 50 each way it...........you
deserve a medal. Thanks.
(Ed: I'm glad it saluted for you but you're
the one that needs a medal! 50 each way on a horse thrown up by a
system that I haven't finished testing and I don't know if it works?
Good grief - what are you doing? Pat - I love you like a brother but
this is the very reason why I am hesitant to put up these selections
up during the testing phase. OMG!)
From Darrin (20.9.09)
(Par Times): Just a short note to say once again
you have excelled in service and information, you have helped me on
my way to overcoming a big problem with my speed ratings.
From Alex:(17.9.09) HOMElander
$ 31.60 in NSW ... I cant remember when I last backed $30 odd winner
(Ed: You're very welcome - they bob up occasionally
From Gordon (12.9.09)
General: Here is a question for you. When
should I make Each Way bets for a couple of years now I have focused
on Win bets taking advantage of the excellent prices (smaller takeouts)
Top Fluc, Best of the three totes or Betfair. Centrebet on Saturdays
even offer either Super + which is fixed price at time of placing
bet or best of the three (whatever pays more) or Best Of Best which
is best of the three or best fluc (whatever pays more) or of course
Betfair. Whenever I have run any stats the place portion of my bets
has always performed worse than my Win bets. Peter I would appreciate
any advice for me based upon your years of experience because I would
like to understand more for my own selection processes. Thanks for
your time and your service
let me say, yes, I have had years of experience – no, I am not
an expert. I have found overwhelmingly that Betfair (for me) is the
best option – the downside is that sometimes, midweek particularly,
you may not be always able to get set at a better than tote price
– the issue of top fluctuation is currently being discussed
in some detail (Rob Waterhouse’s contribution is interesting
read) at the Ausrace forum which I visit to read – rarely participate
(for many reasons) – here’s the link if you want to have
a read : http://ausrace.com/pipermail/ausrace/2009-September/date.html
regard to the place angle strike rate, - yes – I have read a
very in depth mathematical reason why your place strike rate is not
simply 3 times the win strike rate – it was a very convoluted
(but convincing) argument – at the end of the day it appears
the strike rate will only ever average 2.2 times the win strike rate
at best – which is why I guess so many each way systems are
1 unit a win and 4 or 5 a place – sorry I can’t remember
the details but it did make sense at the time and I don’t think
I was in drink when I read it through)
From Peter (7.9.09) Ratings
Service ........thanks for the terrific results
over the weekend...... been a subscriber since day one but Saturday's
81% strike rate was quite unreal....... you can use this email on
your feed back page if you wish............ those that are thinking
about it all I say is jump on.... thanks
From Adrian (1.09.09)
- (Tas Greyhound Ratings) ..............your
strike rate is unbelievably excellent - guess you intend charging
for these soon?
(Ed: No )
From Joe (1.09.09) Prime
Factor: I have been using prime factor over
the past few weeks and am still in front even had winners over $15
plus so that is reallly a big help. , thank you it it is magic
From Alan (subscriber to RaceRate ratings) 21.8.09: Firstly,
I would like to thank you for your ratings that I subscribe to. With
my own staking plan, I have made a profit every month since I started
my subscription backing your top 3 rated horses. The exception is
I don't back horses that are odds on, ie returning less than $2.00,
then I include your 4th rated horse when available.I
assume your ratings are going to be on a continual basis.
(Ed: NO WORRIES Alan – I am glad to
hear it is going well for you – good when something you pay
for actually works ;-))
From Paul (Frankston)
11.8.09 (General): ......Racerate would have
to be the best free horseracing site in oz. Keep up the good work
From Michael 04.08.09
(General): I was googling "Sean Bartholomew"
as I am desperate to find a way out of a slump where I have no confidence
in my selections laying with Betfair and came across your site. After
reading nearly the whole webpage I would like to thank you for giving
me new ideas and bringing back the confidence I once had. (Next thing
to do is reload my account and play sensibly) I am like how you were
once "A good punter but a bad gambler". You have given me
a new resurrection of life with punting and hope I will succeed........Good
to know there's a site from a real punter with real stories.
(Ed: Thanks for the kind words - good luck
with your "revival" - I know I sound like a broken record
but the key word is discipline - everything else is a distant second)
(Essendon) 13.7.09 (Daily Ratings):...........great
weekend all up ..... hard not to win money. You must have won a fortune
betting top three lol
Glad you had a good run Nick. A fortune? Well, not exactly - but then
again I never set out to win one :-)
From Col (Esperance)
8.7.09 (Daily Ratings): ..............I've
been simply waiting for a top rated horse to be more than 25 points
clear of the next rated runner.........been the most suucessful I've
From (anon) (Melbourne)
25.6.09 (Ratings):..........I only lay bet these
days on betfair and......use your ratings to help me sort out the
non winners.......yesterday you rated 15/17 winners in the top 4 which
was absolutely outstanding and I notice is becoming more and more
commonplace as your rating database continues to expand. Congratulations.
From Lyle (Townsville)
19.6.09 (Crackerjack): .........had my first
"start" with Crackerjack that I got from you the other day
and being a Queenslander stuck with Mackay races yesterday .....three
winners Gremmo $6.70, Carry The Clubs $5.40 and Flying Test at $7.00.
Hard to lose with prices like that eh? Thanks for an interesting system.
(Ed: Umm - great Lyle but one small thing.
Go back and check the Initial Eliminations rules - you'll note that
Gremmo was not a true selection as its last start was 6 days ago -
not bad the other two though :-) - guess Gremmo was your "lucky
mis-selection" - don't worry - we all have them!)
From Barry (N.T.) 11.6.09
(Daily Ratings): .........you know I follow
the top 2 rated playing catch up footy......... last few days unreal......
today was the clincher when you struck 100% top two rated winners
in all your selections... mate, like shooting barra in a barrel....roll
on South Africa tonight
From Tony (St Kilda)
9.6.09 (Ratings) : .......just great value for
money, especially the long priced ones that keep bobbing up........where
do they come from?
From F Fgh (Selfrate)
4.6.09: selfrate is a unique betting tool really
its the 1st time i talk like this as a gambling product.i ve never
seen seen such reqular winners at good prices.i m not flattering i
tell the truth thank u very much.
From George (Master Lays
/ Favourite Lays) 27.5.09: Very good angle for
Betfair players.I have been laying using Master Lay and Stats from
Fav E book both angles proving very reliable
From Bobby (Daily Ratings)
15.5.09: Having fun with your ratings so far
without getting carried away on the punt. Must admit all the positive
you receive are spot on and absolute value for money.........many
thanks for all your help. Keep up the excellent work
From Darrin (Bullets) 15.5.09: a while ago i
purchased bullets from you ................enjoying very much
Rockhampton 8.5.09: ........As someone with
a loose stable connection, I was stunned to see your ratings top rated
Danwana in Rockhampton yesterday. I
was happy with the $14+ dividend but we all can't work out why it
was top rated
(Ed: Yes - there had to be local money for
it - it paid much better elsewhere :-)
From Darren, (Par Times)
4.5.09: I have run a heap of data through my
programs & the figures have proven to be very accurate. Much appreciated.
From Kathryn, Kilmore
(Lay Safe) 28.4.09 ............started doing
this full time when I got laid off.......made more in the last fortnight
than in the previous 6 weeks of working
(Ed: Kathryn, Kathryn - what are you doing?
This is supposed to be for recreation and fun and slow and patient
accumulation. It is NOT a substitute for remunerated work and it worries
the hell out of me when I read stuff like this. PLEASE - PLEASE -
do not regard this as some sort of permanent income stream. Fun and
recreation - that's all this is - it
can never be a substitute for real employment as
only about 4% of people have the patience, mental strength and discipline
to do it full time successfully.
You are far better off getting another full time or part time job
than relying on the continuing success of ANYTHING here. I am very
concerned that you have chosen your current course of action.)
Brighton (SelfRate) 13.4.09................been
going very well this month.............thanks also for other ratings
on site that you do for free.... rare commodity these days
Woolloongabba 12.4.09 (Lay Safe) .............excellent......
in profit and loving it.......annoyed though that I hadn't "seen"
Broome (Master Lays) 1.4.09 .................started
using a couple of days ago. To say I am pleased with the results would
be a massive understatement. What does a losing day feel like?
(Ed: Oh dear.....don't say that Anthony or
we are all doomed!!!!)
A.C.T. (ratings) 21.3.09......however a good collect
yesterday on Old Mystique has more than paid for the ratings for the
Armidale (Master Lays) 9.3.09: I guess as one
of your first to try Master Lays I guess I should report that this is
better than I ever imagined. Now would be a good time to either stop
selling this or put the price up substantially as obviously the more
people start using this the harder it will be to match bets - pleeee@zyzeee!
(ratings) 18.2.09: ...I would like to congratulate
you . I think you have finally hit the mother lode and 78 straight winning
days is phenomenal, not for the faint hearted though........
(Ed: ......yes it is not for the fainthearted
but by golly it does get the adrenalin going in some fashion! After
this length of time I am expecting to lose a bank shortly but I won't
be giving it all back :-) and
I shall then simply start again)
From Les (ratings 16.2.09) Firstly, congratulations
on your ratings service. I have tried many other services, both tipping
and ratings, and yours is by far the the best value for money service
I have encountered. The combination of good priced winners coupled with
the consistency of the ratings make it a real winner. I don`t know what
your secret is but keep up the good work!
(Ed: No secret really Les - just a matter
of form factor weightings that keep throwing them up! I really believe
that anyone could arrive at the same position if they have the time
to do it properly.)
From David (ratings) 10.02.09: .......subscribing
to your ratings for a week and while I find the staking plan you are
using to be not for a beginner it has had me in positive territory every
day............don't understand how you end up with the longer priced
winners you rate as I can only see marginal reasons why you would consider
them as chances.......many thanks for an excellent service
(Ed: Now if I told you that David I'd have
to shoot you.....that's a joke oh so serious anti gun lobby!!!!! .....
at the end of the day David it is purely a matter of observation and
it truly is a case of the little things often being more important than
the what appear to be the headline factors at first glance)
(ratings) 4.2.09: I concur with Les & Ray
on a great site for the punting public. Back in December I formulated
a very simple betting method from information contained on the Interesting
"Stuff" page and I thought I would post the results for January.
Betting level stakes over the 31 days in the 3 Eastern States resulted
in 118 wins from 835 selections and a return of $1007 ( a profit of
$1700 @ $10 bets ).Both metropolitan & non-metropolitan tracks proved
successful. Average win dividend was $8-50 with 31 x $10+ winners. I
will advise February results early next month.
your ratings service....it's tops.
(Victoria) 2.2.09:..........great website, great
products--a breath of fresh air in what can be a pretty dodgy industry.
(Ed: thanks Les)
(in general) 1.2.09:.....really good to see someone
offer a sample of their product before purchase......my
grandfather was a horse trainer in the 1920's on. He was able to keep
the whole street in food during the depression.......I agree with you,
and it seems you have suffered similarly. It's that RASH bet to try
and get out of trouble.........thank you, for your site and honesty
(RaceRate ratings) 29.1.09: The way I see it,
sure there is always the chance of losing the initial bank but lets
say you had 2 or more banks of $1000 each. One of those banks might
be lost but you should still be left with the other $1000 bank. Perhaps
the betting for each bank could be staggered slightly so that they aren't
both exposed to the same liabilities at the same time. This would decrease
the likelihood of them both succumbing to the same losing spell. In
addition, a stop loss after 5 or 6 consecutive losses could be introduced
and the loss could be recouped by dividing it into the next cycle of
bets. The bank might take longer to grow but this would provide some
peace of mind. The only hurdle with this method would be the extra work
involved with betting 2 separate banks.
think there are all sorts of ways you can utilise the ratings –
I chose to go the way I did but it will not suit everyone as it is easy
to lose – but the rewards are better if you don’t.
Agree on more than one bank – you need to get a “good start”
with a new bank to make yourself less vulnerable – after nearly
two months of “good start” I think I am just about in an
unlosable position unless I start chasing the sub and near $3 selections
which I won’t because I’ve been there before and done that!!
I have always been prepared to lose the initial $1000 bank at any time
(WITHOUT REGRET) in the pursuit of this and I of course have several
more $1000 banks available to me
Now I have built it up (almost enough) I will of course withdraw the
initial $1000 and then just continue on – absolutely FEAR FREE
and it is the “fear” that always brings you undone and gets
you to start questioning the basic judgments.
At the end of the day - this is about (supposedly) having fun :-))
(Prime Factor) 21.1.09: BTW....Prime Factor is
going "gangbusters" today. I was thinking of tweaking the
system and reducing the number of bets by removing all 2nd up starters
(never been too keen on them especially over 1400m)........noticed that
Roy's Legacy..(in the)...Virtual Form Guide revealed he had
won over 1650 and 1850 whilst today's race was 1750. If it wasn't for
the fact that he was the only contender in the race, it is easy to see
how you could miss a nice big priced winner ($28.20!!).
(Par Times) 20.1.09: I'd like to thank you for
the par times book - its been a great help in the battle to find a winner.
Gympie 17.1.09 (free ratings section) : ...........yesterday,
took a boxed trifecta on all three races you rated.......first got up
and paid nearly $700..... can't thank you enough...........been on the
bones of our @@##
(Ed: Loooove good stories when things work
(free greyhound system) 5.1.09: have been using
your improving greyhounds method for the past 4 weeks.. and I can say
that over 623 races.. I have a winning percentage of 26.95%.. With a
Average Return of $3.25
I am happy to provide the
data.. it has thrown up some unlikely winners including a $22 roughie
@ Albion, and quite a few $10 - $13 winners..
It does skew to favourites
as well.. But I have also got some stats on the dogs score (ie: 22)
and its winning percentage.. I find that dogs that have scores of 36/34/26/18-8
have the highest strike rate with a score of 8 (which is only like last
third only) getting up 62% of the time. I have tweaked a few of the
rules after watching some races.. they are:
If the highest scoring dog is scratched, skip race.
Avoid Melbourne Metro Meetings (Sandown and The Meadows) - current SR
Albion and Richmond are where this works the best.. 62% SR @ Albion..
(re Oliver's comment) 31.12.08.....Oliver is on
to something here. As you know I have purchased a few of your methods
and it is really eerie how when one is on fire the others go to sleep
but overall I have been staying well in front....... I use prime factor
and counters and reversal in tandem and have had a really good go at
it.....the secret seems to be to be able to have the time to follow
more than one at a time.......may not work for everyone but it sure
does for me .....thanks
(Counters) 29.12.08 .........been a sensational
Christmas carnival so far........keep up the good work
(Ultimate) 22.12.08 ....... as we're approaching
the end of the year thought I'd drop you an email to let you know how
far I am in front using a combination of Ultimate and Prime Factor.........when
one's not firing the other is so it works well in tandem.........
(Selfrate) 16.12.08 . Very fast delivery.... easy
product to use.... two from two so far..........
(SelfRate) 14.12.08 ...Thanks for the fast service.
I rated just 4 races at Rosehill on Saturday the 13th with success straight
away.In race 3 I backed Ledger the top rated horse and it won paid $3.90
plus I got the quinella with the top 2 rated horses Ledger and Malambo
which paid $2.80.
In Race 6 my top selection Zazabeau ran 2nd.
in Race 7 my top selection Circle of fame unplaced.
In race 8 my top selection Something Anything won and paid $3.60 for
a win.It would have been a massive day if my second selection ran second
instead of 3rd,still a profitable day . Thanks Peter.
(SelfRate) 8.12.08.......quick delivery.....good
product....will buy from again
(Ratings) 5.12.08 .... Checked your today's tips
site for the first time yesterday and noted The Plate was third rated
in Rockhampton race 7.....I personally know the trainer/owners so I
bet $10 each way on it and paid $38-40 for a win . Thanks for the free
(Ed: Well done - I just love hearing these
good stories instead of all the doom and gloom stuff we have thrown
at us via the 6pm news every day!)
(SelfRate) 4/12/08: Manual input can be time consuming
BUT it looks promising ,still testing
(SelfRate) 27/11/08 .......very good, fast, accurate
(Charters Towers) 26/11/08 (Premium Runners) ..
has been having an average run the last few days but good old Goldengate
Bridge in Sydney at 33/1 ended that run. I see what you mean now by
being patient and sticking at the one approach.........
G (25/11/08) .....as described, fast delivery,
VERY happy, will purchase again
22/11/08: .........one test period of a month
or two seems too short a time to know if a system is going to continue
to produce results......
(Ed: When I started doing this as a hobby
back in 1999 I used to do three month trials and well intentioned folk
like yourself would send me an email and say “hey, that’s
very good but why don’t you do six month trials?” And so
I would. And then good folk would send me an email and say “hey,
that’s very good but why don’t you do 12 month trials?”
(Always with my money - lol)
guess what? The results over 12 months were invariably about the same
as after about one to two months (give or take a percent or two of p.o.t.)
The whole object of this exercise is to stop people being like most
other people and betting willy nilly and instead seek an investment
route that is consistent.
The randomness of sequenced events just about precludes any two people
getting the same result from the same criteria which inevitably will
be applied in a slightly different manner than the other. That is gospel
- just how things are!
So I play with these methodologies for a while until I am satisfied
that, given an even run of random events, the results are repeatable
and then move on to the next method I am interested in. That’s
just how I work.)
From "ararat" 19/11/08:
.....received in quick time ..... as advertised
6/11/08 (general) Thank you for providing a website
that provides good, sound advice to the average punter as well as interesting
and fairly priced products---without the usual slick sales pitches we
have to endure from many others. Keep up the good work!
29/10/08 (general) ...............great site....found
it by accident. Thanks for all the free stuff - a very rare commodity
24/10/08 (Ultimate) ........having a quiet period
at the moment but over the last six months I am way ahead and confident
in the way it works to know it will come strong again as it has already.
I never realised when I brought it from you how much it would change
the way I look at the races and how much more selective I am instead
of betting willy nilly.....
(Ed: Love that term willy nilly - isn't it
great? Reminds me of my nanna)
18/10/08 (Prime Factor).................Prime
Factor system picked the Caulfield Cup winner and it paid nearly $48
a win here in Victoria....just so excited had to drop you an email.....
was very dubious when I did the form but WOW......hope you had lots
on it too
(Ed: Ummm - no - :-( - but I am glad it saluted
13/10/08 (Raceraters 61 Systems book)...... Thanks
for the fast transaction......what a fantastic book!!!....this will
indeed provide hours of entertainment...
6/10/08 (Favourites report) ..........used the
principles today and did very well. Thanks for your advice and rapid
1/10/08 (Adventist): ...............having a terrific
run with it and funnily enough I am now getting scared it will stop?
What are the chances of a long losing run?
Ed: Peter, if you look at the test period
work out I sent you will notice the longest run of outs during the month
is 10. That is bound to be repeated if not lengthened (!!) in the future
but looking at your figures you are so far in front now that IF, repeat
IF, you stayed at your current flat stake bet level it is hard to see
you could face financial armageddon - depends how nice you have been
to the gambling gods I guess and how patient you are. Glad you are having
20/9/08 (Ultimate): ..........so I am well in
front of the purchase price outlaid but even more importantly it has
made me completely revise the way I have been looking at form for decades,
losing decades I might point out (lol) so thanks a million for that
14/9/08 (Ultimate): First day with ultimate. Used
set and forget, 31 each way bets @ $5 = $155 return $300-05. Included
$19 and $39 winners. Not bad for an old bloke.
Ed: I'd say not bad for a young bloke too!
Glad you're having fun!!
withheld], 11/9/08 (General): ......do you think
its at all possible to make a living from this system? If so what kind
of bank would one need to make around $1000 or two per week? I always
think to my self it can be done but I have never worked it out! Can
you give me some pointers please mate? What system would you think would
suit me, a simple bloke that does not know all that much about racing.
(I get many emails in a similar vein):
Well, where does one start? (name), it scares me that you think you
would like to make a living out of racing when in your own words you
write "me, a simple bloke that does not know all that much about
I know nothing about the share market and hence would never attempt
to scratch out a living trading on that without first making a very
very very long study out of the hows, whens and whys of that particular
beast. You have to really know it to do it or you will go broke trying!
Read as much as you can for as long as you can before you even attempt
what you are contemplating - many have tried before and all but an infinitesimal
number have succeeded - and that was mostly through luck.
I do have an acquaintance who has made an average of over $1000 a week
from racing over the last 12 months BUT and here is a big BUT, he uses
a permanent bank of $20000 and bets in $100 units - that is - half of
one percent of his bank per bet. Now he averages, and that is a very
important word, averages, about 26% winners (very high) whose prices
average around $5. (4/1) He only bets level stakes - NEVER chases losses
(bookies love people that chase) - so over a period of 100 bets he averages
26 winners that return him 130 units - and he does that day in and day
out, 7 days a week, week in and week out, finds it boring in the extreme
but in his own words "no one else will give me a job because I'm
Now I don’t know your circumstances but he uses a standing bank
of $20000 which is way out there for me and, importantly, is mentally
prepared to lose the lot - which again is way out there for me!! He
is tied to his computer for 6 to 7 hours a day, 7 days a week and hates
it but doesn't know what else to do. But he has his method that he is
happy with and is DISCIPLINED enough to carry it through - again - day
in, day out - no switching - no being tempted to change - no madly jumping
from one scheme to another, from win betting to place betting to trifecta
betting. He just bets the same every bet. And remember - he anticipates
losing 74 times out of every 100 bets he makes!!
Now I don’t have the mental discipline to do what he does which
is why I don't do it - I find it boring in the extreme (I get distracted
easily) - and what I have found is that excitement equals risk equals
losing. Read that again - excitement equals risk equals losing.Be smart
and start with a bank of $200 and find a methodology you are happy with
and bet in $1 units - IF you can turn that $200 in to $300 up the units
to $1.50 - when it gets to $400 - up the ante to $2 and so on
If this doesn't bore you to death you may just have the psychological
make up to make a success of it but VERY few people have that mentally
tough approach (or patience).Importantly, you HAVE to have ultimate
faith in the methodology you are using and be very comfortable with
it - no faith, no future!
you find the method you are happy with and find this information useful
From Adam, 5/9/08, (Ultimate): Hello
mate, Thanks for the fast transaction...still pinching myself over the
fact that ive found someone out there willing to share information at
a very reasonable rate... Thanks for the great work..karma will be good
to u for sure...
Ed: Thanks for kind words Adam - karma is
just great at the moment :-)
22/8/08, (Favourites Report):.....emailed within
30 minutes and correctly/completely as described -cheers
Alexandra Headland (11/8/08) (Reflections): ......far
exceeds my expectations.....well done
(8/8/08) (Adventist): First day using Adventist
yesterday. Two $4+ winners and a second from five bets. It has paid
for itself already.
(Reflections):............three selections yesterday
.... nice $13 winner at Belmont
Irvington, New Jersey (2/8/08) SelfRate: ........shows
great promise with 22/61 or 35%........profit about 21%......only two
or three plays a day
Adelaide (27/7/08) (Prime Factor): ......got the
rules yesterday morning so tried it out on the Queensland meeting ......goodness,
two selections, two wins.........very impressed at the value for money.....
(14/7/08) (SelfRate): Thanks, the download went
well and the programme has been running fine............. I have test
rated about 12 races at venues ranging from Mildura to the mainstream
metro meetings last Saturday. The results have been encouraging with
a good % of top selections winning at backable prices and a couple of
false favourites identified.......it looks a good usable tool and value
for money, so thanks very much.
(4/7/08) (general) - must say I find your site
very refreshing & up to date. Having looked at a few racing systems,
it is a relief to find a site that doesn't use corny selling techniques
or get you in with promises of financial grandeur. You just stick to
the facts & your current data speaks for itself without the bull.
In fact, if anything you probably down play the success.
Ed: Thanks for the kind words Kate - I hope
your observation is true - if it is it is because we are not trying
to make a grand living out of this site - (in fact our ratio of winnings
to site earnings in the 07/08 financal year is about 13 to 1 having
just done the much hated and time consuming tax return!!) - it is just
stuff we are interested in
(30/6/08) (Par Times): ......thank you very much...
it's a pleasure to deal with you.
(27/6/08) (Reversal): After purchasing Reversal
this morning I went through and did my selections. My first pick was
Pt Macquarie, Race 4, 3 Blinkin Quick and it won at $8.30. How good
is that!! First pick on a longshot system and I get a huge win!!! How
exciting is that! Thank you!!
(Ed: Stay sane Chris :-) - caution at all
times - I know - I AM boring)
(26/6/08) (Back One): ......just too easy...
(26/6/08): A quick note to congratulate you on
your Quick Picks for yesterday (25 June). After discarding tracks rated
worse than dead, you had seven selections for five winners and a second.
(26/6/08): I must congratulate all concerned on
a great "punter friendly" website
(Ed: Thanks Bobby - you know we get lots and
lots of simply "nice" letters from good people like you and
we reply personally to them all but if we put all of them on this site
it would take ages for your web browser to load the page! Suffice to
say we do appreciate your good thoughts - it is interesting to have
seen how this site started off as a reasonable idea and has grown and
is still growing into a really nice thing to be associated with - something
I enjoy doing that is not really a task at all - thanks to you all)
(24/6/08) (Counters): I purchased the Counters
system about a month ago and it has found some good winners thus far.
Keep up the
(14/6/08) (Counters): Well done Peter, Today I
only used the selections from the counters system I purchased 2 days
ago......Today I had 14 selections and had 4 wins the return was around
$63 in dividens. Thankyou
From Karen (1/6/08) (Favourites Report): ....very
good information that you obviously spent a lot of time researching......
I focussed on Dubbo this afternoon and using using our research it was
very obvious why Zelta Glow was a good bet and why Kelectron was a good
lay. Thank you. My betfair account thanks you!
(29/5/08) (Par Times): I purchased your par times
book late last year and Ithought l would just like to let you know how
helpful it is.
lt is put together very well and l find so good when l'm doing the form
up the great work !!
(29/5/08): Good site Peter.After 15 years I have
learned something more. All the best
(20/5/08) (Prime Factor): ........what I liked
about yours was rules D and E which sets yours apart from the others........
thanks for two great sites
(14/5/08) (Back One) .....good plan....prompt
Broome (9/5/08) ...........don't often write to
say thanks but your efforts with the free tips section of your website
are outstanding ...... many thanks
(1/5/08) (Back One) ..........accurate in description
- happy with purchase............(thanks)
Kiama (3/5/08): (Prime Factor) ...........this
afternoon got $22 about Helideck on Betfair in the Gold Coast race which
makes the sub $20 charge for this look rather silly..........great.........thanks
26/4/08 (Prime Factor): ..........I said I would
let you know after the first month how it was going and I am happy to
say I am several hundreds of dollars in front ............. first time
I have consistently won .......thanks a lot
(Ed: Maggie I am concerned you also metioned
increasing your stake size. Do another two months at your current level
before going there)
25/4/08 (Free Tips): ............first time I
have ever backed a 40/1 winner......can hardly wait for tomorrow
(Ed: Bert. 40/1 winners are a fluke and happen
very rarely but I am glad you backed it - don't count on it happening
again for a while!!!!!!)
6/4/08, (Hot Start):.......like most typical mug
punter I expect instant success and am not prepared to persist with
any plan....... the $23 winner at Sale today.......well done
(Ed: Glad you stuck - most things work .........if
you lt them)
Parramatta (3/4/08) (Bullets) ........used Bullets
today at Ascot and it was great.The only three selected got me the race
4 trifecta paid $106 and I used those three and the field in the first
four paid over $750. Just a great day that I wouldn't have had otherwise...........thank
(Ed: You're welcome)
Tugun (2/4/08) (Bullets): ....as
you know I purchased Bullets from you this morning.....first race I
got to try it on was the 6th at Newcastle, such a standout I had a lazy
100 on it and it paid $3 here on Qld TAB. I must say it makes the $19.95
you charge look very little indeed...... fresh seafood tonight (laughing).
Thanks a lot.
(Ed: Yum - save me a mud crab Darcy)
(26/3/08) (Eliminator): ...great job with this
one peter. Ten plays last Saturday getting four winners and four placings.
Betting $10 to win and $20 to place on each of the ten slections added
up to a net profit of $407.00. The highest payoff was a $26.00 winner
at Tampa Downs in Florida.
(Ed: great to know it works well in USA as
(20/3/08) (Prime Factor): TO DEAN (as below)As
promised, I had time to play with this old favourite of mine yesterday
afternoon 19th March 2008 in response to your message of the 17th. Here
are the results:
Rockhampton Race 2 - 5 - It's Our Nediym - Won 2.70
Rockhampton Race 7 - 9 - Admiral's Amante - unp
Rockhampton Race 8 - 9 - Our General - unp
Hawkesbury Race 6 - 3 Walking Or Dancing - Won 3.40
Hawkesbury Race 7 - 7 Smokin' Jewel - unp
Ballarat Race 5 - 4 Mistry - unp
Ballarat Race 6 - 2 Masterten - unp
Ballarat Race 7 - 1 - Redwood Park - 2nd
Ballarat Race 8 - 20 Honour Winna Won - $19.10
for day was 9 units out, 25.6 units in with a nett return of 16.9 units
or 187.77% profit on turnover at level stakes.
From Dean (17/3/08): (Prime Factor):Over about
5 days (pretty close to continuous) i would have had (and did have about
half) a total of 47bets with only 3 winners..........paid $1.80, $2.90
& $2.10 all short as well.......the
system is currently on a 38 bet losing streak.(Ed:
Wow - Dean - 38 in a row - the worst I ever managed with that was 18
(twice) but I have not been tracking it lately though I notice on very
quick inspection it picked the Cup winner at Armidale at $4.80 yesterday-
will do a larger sample from today to check the methodology again get
back to you. These things are sent to try us all sometimes)
(13/3/08): ........no hassels and received it
within 30 minutes of purchase ......
(12/3/08) : Thanks for the Par Race Times........I
did (2) races on past results for Saturday 01-03-08 in caulfield- Race
2 and Race 3.... Race two-Won byCascade Now was FIRST pick (Rating of
103.87,( using Friday Courier Mail Form Guide) and paid $33.30 a win.First
4 was in first 5 horses and paid $2,893.00 in Qld.Race 3 Won by Hardwar
was also FIRST pick ( Rating of 146.81 , paid about $4.60 a win.........many
Thanks again for everything
From Duncan (1/3/08)
(System Choice): I don't know how much feedback
you get from your downloads but I'd like to say I'm impressed with
what you do, appreciate it and think the vast majority of your comments
are spot on. Personally, I'm a greyhound punter (very selective) but
I'm interested in new ideas and information about the whole game,
well done and thanks,
From Peter (28/2/08) (System Choice): .....I'd
like to thank you for sending me the System Choice Newsletters for
January and February, particularly for the sytems you have listed
which are proving to be quite promising. I've been concentrating recently
on The Provincial Plan, Power Winners and Four Score Systems, which
are all providing regular winners and what looks to be a good number
of placings with a higher average payout than I have been used to
From Barry, Boulder City (24/2/08) (Selfrate): .......downloaded
fine and was successful on the first day so I can't really ask for
From Marissa: (19/02/08):.....very happy with
your thinking behind prime factors and self rate also hope there is
more feed back with your free method.
From Chris (18/2/08) (Prime Factor): .......I
ended up being extremely cautious and betting $5 a win each selection,
being 0.5% of my starting bank.
I won $27.45 which is 2.7% Interest in 1 day which is.........
far superior to any bank or financial institution
From Ross (16/2/08): (Hot Start): ....started
using it yesterday and started with Broken Link at Tamworth that paid
over $15 ..... had $20 on it ..... well thats paid for that then ...
From DEJ (16/2/08) (Par Times): .......looks
good - thanks
From Lochie (14/2/08): (Aussie Greyhound Gold)
Great, very easy to use. A++++ Seller
From "OldYeller" (13/2/08) (Premium Runners): Excellent
product! Fast service. Outstanding seller! Highly recommended!
From Mick (11/2/08): (Magic Maidens): ..........very
interesting and logical method......... already in front.....now need
to stay there (grinning)
From Sheridan, NT (6/2/08) (Pure Class) : Thanks
for your patience about my questions ...... it is now working fine
...... thanks again
From Alan, Vic (4/2/08): (Pure Class)....really
interesting approach ...... steady profit since I bought it but no
spectacular results which i am glad to see it was as yu described
...... use this email if you wish in your feed back section
From Pat (1/2/08): Terrific service, fast delivery
and a pleasure to deal with, thanks so much!
From Darrin: 26/1/08): I’m still in the
middle of trialing both selfrate and m260 along side my own process
and it looks very promising I have done at the moment 390 races (live
and on file) and have a very impressive 45% win strike from 320 selections
in 1 pick !!!
From Ryan, S.A. (21/01/08): ........had the
best day on Sunday......no idea how you pick the eliminator selections
and don't care........ just winner after winner....many many dollars
in front. Simply thank you.
From Peter H (Par Times) (15/01/08)Thanks very
much for the above. As I thought it is sensational value. I mentioned
that I was using the speed ratings from (Ed:
other provider) web site for quality control purposes
against my selections based on an in depth analysis of form factors,
class and pace ratings............... I have subsequently been making
other checks and I have to tell you that I will only rely on my own
speed ratings in future based on your pars (only in sprints of course
and only as a final quality control filter).
From Darrin, Vic (14/1/08) : Just spent the
last few hrs looking around your site , and have to say that it is
one of the best sites on racing I have seen, believe me I have been
on the punt for at least 20 years (still trying to get that perfect
system) have had my wins and losses like many out there and have brought
my fair share of dodgy systems. It
is refreshing to see a site that’s not full of crap promising
the world of fame and fortune then taking people’s money and
(Ed: Thanks Darrin
From Bill & Meredith (14/1/08): I am using
"prime factor",and happy with its performance although i
have been a bit slack and not used it as often as i should.
From Jerry (12/1/08): I am interested in receiving
the Method 260 to view. Found some interesting methods on your website
From mac (7/1/08): I like your web site, well
From Rosey & Johnny (6/1/08): Thanks for
the interesting read and analyses! Like most, we've tried various
systems and have had some success, but for some reason, particularly
over the 'silly season', it's gone out the window. I guess that certain
meetings should also factor in and be a 'no bet zone'?
From Bill (5/1/08): Thanks for all the Good
work you do on this Site.By the Way Race Rate which I purchased is
the best buy that I have had anything to do with. Have
got my Money back with it Tenfold. Best Regards
From Paul G, Vic:(24/12/07) .....been punting
many a year. Self Rate is great value for the price and content. No
wonder it is working well here and overseas ...... thanks for a great
site with so many free articles ....
From "Seahunts" (20/12/07): (Aussie Greyhound Gold): ...great
From JMC (16/12/07) (Dog Busters): .....excellent
From Charles, (16/12/07): .... I've been using
Prime Factor for 2 weeks now, and it's interesting to look at the
running Win S/R........I've currently had 169 bets, and it's holding
pretty steady at around 20%......find it interesting that the average
win div is $4.36, similar to what you found in your Winners Price
Staking Plan, $4.70 after 250 winning bets
From Kreed, Darwin (15/12.07): Thanks for the
greyhound gold its going great!
From Matt, Penrith (11/12/07): .....my copy
of Par Times arrived yesterday and I must say I was very impressed
with the publication.............
From Charles, (9/12/07): ...just thought I'd
let you know, I put all of your highest rating Free Tips for Saturday
8th December on for a win, and the first & second highest rating
tips on for quinellas. They netted me a cool $57.80 (Ascot Race 6
Pure Black & Russian Playmate). Outlay $14.00, Return $71.80 Keep
up the good work!
Please remember Charles - we are only TESTING this methodology!!)
From Alwyn, Gold Coast (8/12/07):.......two
more good priced winners from 4 runners again last night at MV with
your freebie tips ........when are you going to start selling this
so I can get the rules(Ed:Whoa
- steady on Alwyn (lol!!!) - a long way to go in the testing yet but
I agree it is showing promise - patience, my boy, patience :-)
From "hynam" (7/12/07) (prime factor) .....nice
From Charles (7/12/07): ......I've been running
with Prime Factor for a few days now, and I'm going fine...............
From Bill (7/12/07):
......Came across RaceRate web site by fluke
and you know , it has been the best fluke for me for a long time.......it's
refreshing to read that not every thing spins around the almighty
From Alan, Nowra (3/12/07):
Hi Peter. I see it is now one year since I started
using your selfRate and I am hapy to report it is going just as strongly
as the first day I started using it - picked the right day to start
I guess, lol. From my initial investment I can tell you my TAB account
has grown to over $7000 from next to nothing and I am not a big punter.
Thanks very very much. You will never know how my race day afternoons
have changed for the better and how much better it is to win a bit
rather than lose all the time..........
(Ed: Good on you Alan - I am pleased to
hear it has been good for you. Stay cool though - no rushes of blood
to the head!!!!)
From Clint (2/12/07): (SelfRate) Excellent
A+++ Top product, keep this quiet, it's a winner!
From Alwyn, Gold Coast
(1/12/07): Your four free tips ALL got up today
..... Famous Roman in Perth paid $23 here in Queensland ......unbelievable
(Ed: Good on you Alwyn. We had a great day
too as we are currently testing the Pure Class system. Our day was
$200 outlay and $1840 return but this is not a common result so be
warned- Sunday will very probably NOT be the same!!! Sad but true
From Charles (30/11/07):
.......had a look around on your website, &
I'm impressed with what you have put together........You have obviously
put a lot of time & effort into your systems, and analysing all
those race results!
(27/11/07): (Aussie Greyhound Gold)......
An excellent package. Very good delivery time also.
From Geoff, Devon U.K.
(21/11/07): just got HOME from work. Followed
your instructions to the T. Installed and up and working! Thanks for
your help, support and advice
From Kevin, Daisy Hill
: (AustralianPar Times) ....looks
well worth having....
From Thom, U.S.A. (14/11/07):
I want to let you know first that you have a
great website . . . lots of great information..........
From Terri, Mooroolbark
(13/11/07):..........bought Premium Runners
just over a month ago...........only a small punter but I am already
over $500 up on my starting position which is a rate of return I have
never been able to consistently achieve before and am now thinking
of increasing my base unit..........
(Ed: "Warning Will Robinson, warning,
warning!!!" A great memory line from Lost In Space that often
springs to mind, Terri - I'd stick at my current level for another
month and then see how you feel about it)
From Glynn, (13/11/07):
The rules for dog Buster are very simple and have been selecting some
great wins and places in the few days..............
From Chas, Hobart (4/11/07):
........superfast service - thanks
FromMax, WA (29/10/07):
Wow ! Beautifully laid out, attractively presented
and written in clear, unambiguous, grammatically correct English.
How refreshing in these days of abysmal standards of written communication.
Well done ! And how refreshingly honest, too. I chuckled in several
(Ed: Thanks for the kind words Max)
From Josh (25/10/07):
....It is interesting reading and testing out
the strategies then looking at the races to see how it goes.
From Kevin, Clontarf
(24/10/07): ..............received SelfRate
a few days ago and it has paid for itself already three times over............very
From Todd (17/10/07):
Great item, quick to send
From Paul (13/10/07):
Item received fast and a good system
From Gordon, Moorabbin
(11/10/07): ....thank you for all the free stuff......I
must admit I have been only at this game for 18 months but am working
hard and learning heaps. There are so many shonky sites and material
out there. Given
your excellent results I am a little suss on some of your figures
because they do seem too successful. Also looking at the Self Rate
screen shot I would be surprised that these factors only could produce
such good results. All that said I do have a degree of trust given
the intelligent content of much of the other material on the site
and you being in Tasmania. Any comment to alleviate my concerns I
would appreciate.....could you steer me one way or the other on Self
Rate versus Prime Factor
for the overnight e-mail – what an interesting letter –
you accidentally raise a few points about all sorts of marketing issues
that have interested me for some time.I have just read your e-mail
to my wife who helps me in many ways with this – please don’t
take this the wrong way – we both think your comment about Tasmania
is very interesting. Does being in Tasmania make us more trustworthy?
As I mix in a variety of circles, can I tell you that the % of shonkies
and snake oil salesman is about the same here as anywhere else I have
ever lived – what is the saying – only the names have
been changed……..As you rightly point out there are a lot
of shonky sites and material out there and I really don’t know
what I could possibly write in an e-mail that would allay your concerns
– after all, if I was one of the shonky sites would I not have
the patter “down pat” to reply to an email such as yours
in order to get your $$$ off you anyway despite your concerns? Interesting
questions aren’t they?At the end of the day, the figures on
the site are exactly what happened in that period of time that the
test was undertaken – nothing more – nothing less. If
I had started these tests one day earlier or finished ten days later,
the results by their very nature MUST be different. In reality, the
gambling game is like an endless conveyor belt with different people
who have different temperaments getting on and off at different places
and while they may be on the same conveyor belt using the same methodologies,
they MUST experience different results BECAUSE of their point of embarkation
and departure. No two people using anything they purchase from me
can possibly have the same results.Interesting concept isn’t
it?At the time of writing this, one of the many systems I am testing
I have named Premium Runners – after nearly a month and 293
races operating mostly in Victoria alone (because of the EI dramas)
– it is showing a strike rate of around 26% and a level stakes
profit on turnover of over 38% - yes, I am making good money from
this at the moment – but what if I had started it a week earlier?
What if EI had never arrived in Australia and I had been able to operate
in all States? Would the overall result be the same? Probably yes
but I will NEVER know. (I should also point out that three other systems
I am testing at the moment are wiping out the profit from the other
quite nicely thanks very much, gambling Gods!!!)To your question on
SelfRate VS Prime Factor …. well they are both quite different
products – Prime Factor is for “give me lots of action
real quick with little time investment” and SelfRate is for
people who have much more time to stop and closely look at things
race by race. I guess you have to decide which one sounds most like
you as only you can know that. The best advice I can give anyone in
relation to gambling on horse racing is this – if it stops being
fun – walk away.
From Roger, Gawler (8/10/07):
.......for the free tips everyday - today's
were great and I only bet for a place.........please keep these premiium
runners tips coming
(Ed: Thanks Roger - yes they are going quite
well but the test period has some way to go)
From Michael, Townsville
(4/10/07): ........(SelfRate) ...is not the
cheapest program of this type getting around and is certainly a very
long way from the most expensive but by golly it is consistent. One
question: why can't you do the races the night before and then save
them to a file to review after scratchings?
Thanks for the kind words Michael. We are working towards that but
it's a case of just a few million lines of computer code between us
and the ultimate goal (!!) We just save them to hard copy and adjust
for scratchings the next morning - we realise FULLY that that is NOT
the ideal way to use the programme and does not provide for the very
MAXIMUM accuracy but we find that what we miss on the swings we pick
up on the carousel, so to speak - it's just that time is always on
the wing round this joint and we don't always have the time to spare
on race mornings!!)
From Lorelle, Seymour
(3/10/07): ..........(SelfRate) arrived much
sooner than I expected and very well packaged......... Barry was "playing"
with it today and we had a very good afternoon at the local races
so thanks very much
(27/9/07): ......(Prime Factor) ....good
system - all ok
From Leon (27/9/07):
........(Prime Factor) .... I think
your sample needs to be larger say 4000 instead of 400
From Brendan, NZ (25/9/07):
. (Self Rate) .....I like doing the
pick 6 in New Zealand racing on a Saturday so the pprogram is a vital
tool for me. I haven't managed the 6 winners yet but go close each
week with 4 or 5 winners and the ones I miss normally get 2nd or 3rds
so hopefully strike it soon
From Andy, Broken Hill
23/9/07: .........(Prime Factor) ...with
Gabbidon at 33/1 it paid for the system about six times over. LOL.
Thanks very much.
(Ed: Good news all round Andy - I don't
think any of us missed it)
From David, Double View
(22/9/07): .....Great day today!! How about
Gabbidon? I got $36.80 on centretote.
From Paul, New Zealand
(22/9/07) ....... had no troubles at all downloading
it, so am all set to go. Thanks for your help.
From Wayne, Gold Coast
(17/9/07): ......using Selfrate all through
this year and it is going just as well now as when I first bought
it so congratulations on a worthwhile product..........punting seven
days a week it gives us "oldies" here in God's waiting room
a bit of interest..........
Lovely to hear from you again Wayne - glad things are going well
From Leon (13/9/07):
a good day today, 3 winners
From Chris (11/9/07):
(Australian Par Times) ...a fantastic product for speed ratings
......bought your Prime Factor 6 days ago..... cannot believe that
for all these years that I have been looking at form guides that I
never saw it before or put it together....thanks
From Allison, Canterbury
partner and I bought your Self Rate programme a month or so back.
This is a really filthy product. We have never had so many winners
day after day......
- I think!!
...fast delivery, great communication, highly recommended
From Chad (31/8/07):
Long time since we have spoken, I purchased the GreyHound Gold…..
doing very well with it actually so thanks for the info! Just
curious mate, what happened to the Tasmanian Racing Ratings that used
to be offered as a free gesture on your site ?
(Ed: I just wasn't happy with the strike
rate of the methodology so have dropped them - as much as I enjoyed
doing them, decisions had to be made _ I didn't want to cost people
money with them when they were an experimental idea)
From Cathy (27/8/07):
very quick with posting
From William, Dungay(14/8/07):
Thank you very much for your help with the download. Here's hoping
for some success (and fun).
(Ed: A timely reminder William that it IS
supposed to be fun!!!!!!)
From Wayne, Sterling
(10/8/07) ......haven't backed as many winners
between $7 and $12 in my life..........thank you for being so matter
From Robert (7/8/07)
Thank you for a fast and professional transaction.
5 star service
- now I can have a strategy
From Lyn, Rockhampton
getting it (SelfRate) I have been having a great deal of
success especially at the non TAB meetings here in CQ. In fact, so
much so, I have started selling my work out "tip" sheets
to other locals at these non TAB meetings. My partner suggested I
should check with you regarding copyright. What are your thoughts
on this please?
(Ed: Lyn, I am glad you are having success
with SelfRate. As far I can see and am concerned, if it is your local
work at non TAB meetings that is generating the tip sheets, please
feel free to use them however you wish)
From John, Horsham (20/7/07):
........download I got unpacked perfectly without any hassles and
I used it yesterday. All I can say is "wow". Thanks
From Jim, Parkinson (19/07/07):
for the quick service
From Andy, (17/07/07):
Supa Fast delivery product as described, thanking you no hassles as
Alyssa, Brisbane (15/7/07): ..........could
not understand how Vain Ali was your top rated horse in your Tasmanian
section but, as my partner often says, hey, what would I know? It
paid over $18.00 on the Qld TAB. Thanks a lot.
(Ed: No worries Alyssa - yes it was a good
result. Didn't quite pay that here in Tassie)
From Alan, St Kilda (10/7/07):
Been meaning to tell you the Saturday before
last, I boxed your Tasmanian trifecta selections all day. 4th of the
day paid $2119. Thanks.
(Ed: Great when they work like that Alan
- the next paid over $400 here too - but why don't they work every
week - then none of us would ever have to work????)
From Brett, Mornington
from all that, I must admit the Self Rate selections continue to be
very sound and my strike rate continues to be very impressive
From David, W.A. (2/7/07):
Had a lot of fun last night with the information from the greyhound
gold. Out $43 In $104.50 including a $32.40 winner!! Thanks Peter
- fantastic service!!
From Terry, W.A.
very interesting program (especially on Saturday when I got an Exacta
for $268.00 in Perth)
From Greg, (24/6/07): very good thanks for being
From Alan, Cairns (14/6/07): .......trying out the Simple Mathematics
system on your free systems page with a great deal of success ...
keeping a running tally so will let you know .... why aren't you charging
for this system?
From Alex, Melbourne
(11/6/07): (SelfRate) is performing way better
than what I imagined it would with stacks of quinellas in the last
couple of weeks. I have used it in conjunction with a quinellas staking
plan that I rather like and I am over $1600 up in the last month.
Would you like a copy of my staking method?
(Ed: Is it an election year? Sure would
Alex. If I can put it on the site for all to share, I'd be delighted
to credit you with it too. Let me know.)
From Sonya, Melbourne
(3/6/07): you may
remember I purchased the greyhound program? The percentages are very
interesting and so far I have had a good run from it and made a little
money by betting the same amount on on each race, I am now going to
try a staking plan that a friend of mine uses.......
(Ed: Good to hear Sonya but try the progression
plan out on paper before you use real money)
From MIke, N.T. (30/5/07):
I am very happy with this software but ..............I really don't
understand why you are selling it at this ridiculously cheap price
(Ed: You can only wear one shirt at a time
Mike - glad you are getting enjoyment from it)
From Chris, S.A. (30/5/07):
I've been using the program and am enjoying
From Roland (26/5/07):
I was very impressed with the honesty shown on your web site. I am
sure you are aware that there's lots of spam out there promising mighty
riches for no risk or effort. What I want is something that can demonstrate
a reasonable chance of succeeding and growing with some fun thrown
(Ed: Hope you've found it Roland !! )
From Geoff, Bendigo (24/5/07):
I know - twice in three weeks but REALLY - Groundhog Day???? - Bumps
In The Night again at 25/1 - unreal
From true_blitz (22/5/07):
Excellent service. A smooth and problem free transaction
From Peter (19/5/07):
3 meetings - 3 wins
From Michael (8/5/07):
Hi Peter, I can't
get over how this program is so left wing. I had a practice run 2
weeks ago and it picked an $18.00 winner. The day was 300% POT and,
disgusting, I didn’t have one bet that day. Last Saturday I
backed Adelaide, Melb, Gold Coast, Sydney and had a small bet and
made 56% Profit on turnover. What I find hard to believe is its throwing
up longer priced winners. Normally I hate to bet anything longer than
10-1. My old betting program use to always aim towards the short priced
winners, assuming 86% of horses win under the odds of ten to one.
As I haven't much experience with your program, is this generally
the case because I would like to know if you have followed any city
meetings or only operate in the country meetings. I have a feeling
I can improve my strike if I take only horses that are 15-1 or less
those over should get crossed out for the next rated until there is
a rated horse under 15-1. If you get a chance I would look forward
to any comments otherwise it’s a great program and after time
hope to prove it to be consistent with its strike rate
(Ed: I must say I never knock back a long
priced winner – longer the better!! (lol) I
think because the programme takes all emotional involvement out of
the equation you get longer priced winners than what you may be used
to and, as you know, price is not a factor in any of the decision
making process. In all honesty though when I am punting on it, if
the selection is showing $30 or $40 a win, I tend towards betting
a 1 / 4 split – in other words, if my betting unit at the time
was $10 it would be $10 a win and $40 a place – but this is
because I am very conservative to the point of tedium - I see nothing
wrong with $6 a place – does me very nicely. This love of place
betting on longer priced horses dates back to a horse called Pirate
Bird (in the 1960’s it must have been) but that is another whole
chapter!!I know that longer prices worry people sometimes –
guess it’s just what you are used to – but at $8 and $10,
you don’t have to back a huge % of winners to stay in front
of the game – I know that flies in the face of conventional
(repetitive!!) thinking but – hey – suits me fine –
you never make a quid betting with the herd.City or country tracks
make no difference to me . However, having said all that, it is, as
always, your choice what you do with the results the programme gives
you so whatever path you choose, enjoy!!! )
From John N (5/05/07):
Hi, I spend lots of dollars buying systems that (do) not
work and you have it here in Aussie for free . I came on by accident
and love looking through the simple things you need to know about
gambling. I'll be seeing you later.
From Leonardo (11/05/07):
prompts transaction and delivery
From Geoff, Bendigo (2/5/07):
Hi. I had to drop you an e-mail and I'm still
shaking, can hardly type. Thanks for your Tasmanian ratings. WOW.
25/1 Bumps In The Night I thought it must have been a typo when I
saw you had it top rated.The biggest win I've had in two years. Please
keep publishing these. You are a star!!!!
(Ed: Thanks Geoff - yes, we had a few bob
on it too because we couldn't believe the price either. Pity we can't
do it every week - oh well.)
From Michael, (29/4/07):
Hi Peter,I had a test run on Saturday and spent most of it rating
2 tracks and got incredible results........unfortunately I never backed
any.... the program seems as if it will get the same strike rate I
had years ago which will be great as I use to run into more grey areas
when I calculated ratings manually...thanks again
From Carl, Waikato, NZ
had also purchased the Self Rate Software. (I haven't used it for
real yet - but I have used it on paper and for small fields and for
place bets only - its been100% strike rate. I'm very pleased with
the program needless to say. So thanks once again.
(Ed: Great news Carl - one guarantee I can
make however - the strike rate won't last!!!!)
From Tony, Launceston
(28/4/07): Just another quick question - why
do you bother to test these things publicly?
(Ed: Tony - I thought it might be interesting
for people to see something actually being tested and maybe follow
it through to its conclusion - one way or the other - a few work -
From Safenet (Ebay) (28/4/07):
Excellent quick service true to description and good produc
File downloading now, no problems there, thank you for your prompt
From Tony, Launceston
Your Tasmanian performance ratings are okay - but instead of backing
them outright I've been taking boxed trifectas - do you realise how
many have saluted in the last few weeks? (Ed:
Hi Tony - yes we have seen that but that's not what is supposed to
happen - lol -it's not what we're testing for)
From Karl, Meadowbrook
for the Race Raters disk - it is very well researched - congratulations
on putting out a good product instead of the usual rubbish
From Angus, Bunbury,
is working very well for me on WA races - thanks - by the way, the
freebie info on your web site is absolutely great!
From Buff, (10/4/07):
Very happy with transaction, great product
From Louise (6/4/07):
Hi Peter. Got the
download okay yesterday. I can see why you are so thingy about the
class aspect. Had a terrific afternoon today. Just thought I'd let
From Rocco, (3/4/07):
Perfect! Nice seller, excellent merchandise. Thanks and A++!
From Terry, Augusta,
WA (26/3/07): The SelfRate Program is very interesting.
Since I received the download last week - It has been very good. Received
3 Trifectas and around 5 Exactas so far.
From Grali7 (18/03/07):
Good delivery time, arrived safely, haven't tried it out yet, will
do soon, thanks
From Tom, USA (6/3/07):
Super fast ship from down under, thanks
From Brendan, New Zealand
(2/3/07): Thanks for all the help Peter, you
have been a champion
From Bill, Ebay (1/3/07):
product best of its type I have seen, AAA
From Evelyn (1/3/07):
Great Communication, Extra Speedy Delivery, Fab packaging Highly recommend
From Mario (Highfield)
on the great website. Is really progressing nicely with a lot of interesting
material starting to appear.
From Melinda, Inala (16/2/07):
Your web site is very informative - keep up the good work
From Derwent Jack, (12/2/07):
Arrived on time and in perfect condition A+
From Branda[??] Internet
is just a query from an interested party. Why would I buy anything
when there's so much stuff on your web site for free? Just interested.
(Ed: Hi. We
do our own independent development of systems and staking plans but
have a huge catalogue of systems that we have collected and written
over the years that we will never test as there are only so many hours
in a day. LIke most people that visit this site, we love punting and
what we do and love sharing things. We only charge people for
things we believe work, after we extensively test the stuff and charge
to pay for our time in doing so. Hope that explains)
From Gary, Hobart (6/2/07):
Hi Peter .... great first week, already paid
for the programme. Just hope it continues.
From HOMEpromote (2/2/07):
Fast delivery and really good systems. Thanks.
From David, Moe (31/1/07):
I don't want to buy anything at
the minute but I did want to say thanks a lot for all the free systems
on your site and good information.
(Ed: It's a
pleasure David - I like putting up the free stuff - everything can't
be take take take - if we all took all of the time there'd be nothing
left to share!!)
From Ella of Kangaroo
I bought Greyhound Gold not expecting too much but am really surprised
by the number of winners that keep saluting...... please put this
on your feedback section - this guy is fair dinkum. Thanks.
(Ed: And thanks
to you Ella for your thoughts - I have replied to you privately on
the trots "matter")
From Joe of Victoria
(21/1/07): I also just want to say that one
of the reasons I bought "Selfrate" was that on your website
it explained what it was and what is wasn't. You didn't make any outlandish
statements or promised riches beyond my dreams and you backed it up
by trailing the system yourself and providing the results for all
to see. I have bought horse racing systems
that promised you wealth beyond your dreams and to be fair to some
of those systems I didn't stick to them long enough but the others
I did stick to them but ending up losing countless banks. Also, I
enjoy your website and all the information it contains especially
"The Golden Rules For Pleasurable Punting". Once again thanks
Peter and I will let you know how it comes down the track.
(Ed: Thanks for the kind words Joe - we
try to make this site completely open and accountable and we make
no wild claims about any of our "paid" products. Those Golden
Rules Of Pleasurable Punting are the result of many years of sometimes
not too pleasant experiences. One I didn't mention was "If you
can get on "on the nod", don't". And thereby hangs
a tale for another day. At the end of it all, we're all just trying
to back a winner!)
From Darryl - Evandale
(25/1/07): Great software - I've started winning
for a change
From Marolyn - Cessnock
(23/1/07): ........easy to understand but takes
a little longer than I first thought it might to arrive at a final
selection. However, it seems to be quite accurate"
You'll find you get quicker and quicker as you use the programme Marolyn
- but anything worthwhile takes time to achieve)
From Michael (18/1/07):
Having quite a bit of success
From LucyMay (15/1/07):
Excellent. Very good service
From Francis (15/1/07):
I have purchased your greyhound gold. Great product
From "Barcoosalute" (14/1/07):
Very quick delivery and was successful winning
1st attempt, well done thank you
From Bill (12/1/07):
Excellent service and product highly recommended AAAAA
From Geoff (12/1/07):
Item arrived completely
as described-hope I can do well with it!
of Mandurah (11/1/07): This
has exceeded my expectations. At last - an honest adviser.
From David (10/1/07):
Extremely prompt service. highly recommended
received promptly. Looks promising.
From Sandi (4/1/07):
Thank you for your kind service, very happy,
was a pleasure
of Brisbane: (4/1/07) I play the boxes a bit
at the dogs often, and while I tend not to use much of other people's
systems in making final selections, the box numbers in Aussie Greyhound
Gold have proven quite useful to me already.
From Francis (2/1/07):
Great Product have tried it and it works. Thanks
From Francis (2/1/07):
Better than another system and less expense
From Peter of Nowra: (2/1/07)
Great start to the year
thanks to your programme. I was doubtful at first until I got my head
around the class aspect - thanks for your email responses and assistance.
(Ed: Glad to
be of assistance Peter. Now - easy does it - don't get impulsive -
good grief I am boringly conservative, aren't I?)
From Tony of Warrnambool:
(30/12/06): Hi. I really appreciate the time
you take to put up greyhound systems as well as the other codes as
we often get forgotten about. That's all.
From Todd: (28/12/06):
Awesome product, saved me a ton of legwork
From John of Marmion,
Next day delivery (fastest ever)- thanks for that and good punting!
& David of Waverley: (26/12/06): Hello there.
This is merely a quick note to thank you for all the free systems
you have on this site. They are great and food for thought.
Pleasure. Hope they start you at least thinking about positive ways
to look at form guides and eliminate some of the losers.)
From Justin of Glenelg
(23/12/06): Hi there. Just wanted to let you
know he first day I operated mySelf Rate program I scored a trifecta
that paid nearly $400. Wow. How long has this been going on?
Good news Justin but don't get too carried away - remember: patience,
perseverance and discipline - stay focused on that class section.
One swallow does not a summer make! Caution at all times)
From Sandi of NSW (20/12/06):
Hi Peter. Thank you for quick postage, I am sure my man will be very
happy when he receives it
From Laurie of Rockhampton
arrived this morning and I installed it immediately. I am moved to
say that this is way more professional than anything I expected. Congratulations.
I will let you know how I go. Have a good Christmas.
You have a good Xmas too Laurie - hope Santa brings you a winner or
From Alan of Nowra
(16/12/06): You have obviously put a lot of
time and effort in to this site with some really useful stuff. Thanks
From Sonya of Hobart
(16/12/06): I think you should put more systems
for greyhounds on this web. Other than that, it is okay.
(7/12/06): Fast delivery,securely packaged,pleasure to deal with,thanks
From Hermes (18/11/06):
From Glyn (18/11/06):
good product fast delivery would deal againFrom
thank you .... awesome
(4/11/06): Won $430 1st day excellent
thank uFrom Steven
M (27/10/06): Fantastic!. Just
what I was looking for
From Rennie (27/09/06):
Goods received. Very easy to deal with. No problems at all
From Chris J (01/09/06):
Quick delivery and a great produc
From Rob G
program,easy to operate.Will enjoy. Recommended